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DeAndre Hopkins starts holdout

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  1. Fantasma Negro

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    5 yrs 70 million, 45 mil guaranteed. They can restructure Brock and Cush to get the money
     
  2. El_Conquistador

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    Everyone wants more money when they outperform on a contract, but what player gives back money when they underperform on a contract? Hopkins signed the contract -- he needs to honor the deal and be a man of his word (and signature).
     
  3. ubigred

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    Please present the other side of the coin.
     
  4. Houstunna

    Houstunna The Most Unbiased Fan
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    Agreed with your thinking that everything will work before real games begin.

    What's our cap situation though? Texans had to have thought Hopkins would holdout.
     
  5. Bobbythegreat

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    They should have about 10 mil to play with at the moment. Not enough unless Nuk would agree to a backloaded contract.
     
  6. Marteen

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    I don't see Brock restructuring after he just signed a deal but definitely can see it happening with Cush.
     
  7. Mr. Clutch

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    According to this:

    http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/houston-texans/

    They have capspace and a lot starting 2018.
     
  8. Bobbythegreat

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    If I'm Cushing, the ONLY way I agree to restructure my deal right now is if more guaranteed money is added to the deal. He'd be too easy to cut next year if he restructured this year.
     
  9. Air Langhi

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    They get cut. NFL contracts aren't worth the paper they are printed on. The NFL union needs to fire Smith and hire Donald Fehr or something. No one cares who these owners are. The Salaries are paid by TV contracts.
     
  10. zeeshan2

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WR DeAndre Hopkins has 2 years left on his deal & <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a> won't negotiate or engage. But... they redid JJ Watt's deal with 2 years left.</p>— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/759423752836833280">July 30, 2016</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Looked it up. Hopkins is 69th highest paid WR in base salary for 2016. For comparison, Shorts and Fuller will make more in base $.</p>— PDS (@PatDStat) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/759425863003680768">July 30, 2016</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WRs set to make more than Hopkins in 2016. <br><br>Andre Holmes <br>Matthew Slater <br>Brandon LaFell<br>Kamar Aiken <br>Dwayne Harris<br>Harry Douglas</p>— PDS (@PatDStat) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/759426564241043456">July 30, 2016</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Think about it like this: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Texans?src=hash">#Texans</a> rookie WR Will Fuller is set to receive more money than DeAndre Hopkins this year </p>&mdash; Rand Getlin (@Rand_Getlin) <a href="https://twitter.com/Rand_Getlin/status/759417061432889345">July 30, 2016</a></blockquote>
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  11. Bobbythegreat

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    I don't see the relevance of this, Nuk isn't JJ Watt.
     
  12. texian

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    It is.

    If you want to renegotiate early you have to take less money -- can't double dip.
    Puts everything at a standstill.

    Works.
    Bad practice, restructures put you in cap hell.
     
  13. conquistador#11

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    i'm all for hopkins doing this in 2017. but this is bigger than nuke, where does the advantage of drafting star players on rookie contracts come in? NFL veterans voted for this. They didn't want rooks getting all the money in the first round.

    All that said, and I would still pay him. If all he wants is a fair deal. by 2017 that fair deal might cost way more than today's fair deal.

    PAy me, RICardo.
     
  14. zeeshan2

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source: DeAndre Hopkins has a $445k roster bonus to earn on Aug 4th if he is on 90-man roster. If on reserve/did not report, he misses it.</p>&mdash; Field Yates (@FieldYates) <a href="https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/759433803848974336">July 30, 2016</a></blockquote>
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  15. Mr. Clutch

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    PFF's take:

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-daily-focus-why-drew-brees-still-top-10-nfl-qb-deandre-hopkins/

    Where Deandre Hopkins ranks among NFL’s best WRs: The Houston Texans have extended their first-round picks in the fourth year of their contracts each of the past two seasons and WR DeAndre Hopkins is hoping for the same. Hopkins was selected to his first Pro Bowl last year after amassing over 1,500 yards and 11 touchdowns. As the only legitimate receiving threat on a team led by the likes of Brian Hoyer, Ryan Mallet and Brandon Weedon, Hopkins earned every yard and touchdown he recorded.

    Hopkins graded as our sixth-best wide receiver of 2015 and with (presumable) stability at the quarterback position and more weapons on the field, the former Clemson Tiger could perform even better in 2016. Brock Osweiler was given a monster contract and the front office drafted WR Will Fuller, WR Braxton Miller and HB Tyler Ervin to add speed and versatility to the offense that force fed Hopkins the ball.

    Hopkins only caught 59.4 percent of his targets and of the top 15 receivers in number of receptions, he was tied for the lowest catch percentage. With a better quarterback, he should see that number rise along with his sixth-ranked 2.29 yards per route run. Heading into 2016, Sam Monson ranked Hopkins as the fourth-best wide receiver in the league for the aforementioned reasons. The Texans would be smart to lock up “Nuk” longterm sooner than later.
     
  16. zeeshan2

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hopkins will be playing with best QB of his career this year, &amp; a WR market that's only going up. Why hold out now? Leverage better next yr.</p>&mdash; Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/759413204048949248">July 30, 2016</a></blockquote>
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  17. Roc Paint

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    I say let him sit back and continue to become the best pocket pool player in the world!
     
  18. Commodore

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Rick Smith dealt with several Andre Johnson holdouts. Hopkins' age, Osweiler addition, need for camp reps make this one different.</p>&mdash; Brian T. Smith (@ChronBrianSmith) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChronBrianSmith/status/759419718130339840" data-datetime="2016-07-30T16:05:44+00:00">July 30, 2016</a></blockquote>
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  19. Two Sandwiches

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    Plus $40k per day. That'd bring his holdout to over $600k within the first week.


    Doubt it lasts long. As Bobby said, or whoever said it, he doesn't have much leverage. The timing is odd. He agents are instructing him wrong, IMO.
     
  20. Roc Paint

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    This was my point earlier. If he were to ever bring his hands out of his pockets...I doubt you will see bunny ears.
     

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