Like I always say... sports is a balance... a ballet between what the defense is doing in correlation to how to best attack it... Thats why stubborn and unwavering commitments to one specific style are stupid and shortsighted... the defense is going to make adjustments... you better be ready to adjust your offense accordingly...
I said this **** months ago. Mike’s been posting up Harden, CP and and Joe for a while. It’s a wrinkle to force double teams. You’ll see it it a lot in the playoffs
This isn't what the article is about though. The article is showing specific plays/sets that the Rockets (and a few other teams) are running where the ball goes into the post and then passes out. All the off-ball movement is designed for passes out of the post that lead to layups or threes. Actually taking the shot from the post is never an option, it's all about making plays out of the post.
That's still not what the article is about, none of these sets require or assume the player in the post is drawing double teams. The post player doesn't even dribble the ball, or make any moves indicating that he's trying to score. The author is showing that the value in post play is all about off ball movement and passes that rely on post positioning, not drawing double teams from the threat of scoring.
When have you seen players post up without dribbling the ball to set up for a closer shot to the rim? The simple act of just back down a defender without the ball doesn't force teams to play help defense or allow cutters. I’ll wait to see an example of “posting up” without actually posting up....
I'm talking about the plays that are shown in the article. There are videos, but if you can't watch them, I can describe it. Harden/CP3 run to the block or the elbow, or somewhere in between, and stand there with their back to the basket calling for the ball. They get the ball, and then stand still while a bunch of off ball movement happens (there are a lot of variations of this movement), and then they pass to someone for an open 3 or open layup. There is no dribbling, no threat of scoring in the post, no backing down the defender, and no help defense on the ball handler in any of the plays.
Yeah it's about the use of the post as a sort of focal point from which other plays can be run, not necessarily in scoring from the post. Very nice read though.
Yes, spacing is in many ways inverting the post to get passers down there. Btw, imo, Article is recycling news from their confirmation bias research to prove Dan D'Antoni wrong. That's what coaches get for lecturing the media. fwiw: The 1st GSW video is 3 years old. The second one shows one play. Yes, when the Warriors had Bogut, you play him like Portland and UCLA played Walton, because he's such a great passer. And when he throws back to perimeter he went out to lay some moving butt picks for Curry. I just wanted to add that Warriors without Bogut no longer really run that. With Durant, their goto post action is more standard lost-post isolation. Nothing wrong with that, he loved to do that at OKC, too. The amount of times GSW posts Durant is probably equal to his OKC days, and similar clear-outs. Melo still posts, Lebron posts, etc. So, that article is basically antiquated Bogut-era sets at GSW or film of Mike D'Antonio and Ben Simmons. That's awesome!!! haha
Reading the comments in this thread make me wonder if I'm reading the same article as half the posters here, or if people just comment without actually reading. So many of the comments make no sense given how I read the article and watched the clips.
Works best when an offense have a good shooter with a quick release and/or nice step back shot like Curry, CP3 and Harden do. This forces defense to switch instead of fighting to go under or over a screen. Warriors force a defensive switch and the go to town with a post up while using a taller player like Livingston on a smaller PG (teams don’t like to guard Livingston with a smaller PG because they know he towers over them in the post). Durant vs a smaller PG. West on a smaller PG. You have to send help defense or get that PG abused over and over again. Rockets force a switch, or CP3/Harden will nail that step back 3. From that arraignment go into iso against the big center. Draw defensive help, which opens up 3-pt shooters (Kick outs). With Harden/CP3 in the post. Things happen thru movement. Joe has the capabilities to do this to a greater extent......if allowed to knock off the rust completely, that is.
There's a third video with 3 clips from this year, there's a 4th video with 4 clips from this year, and there's a 5th video about leveraging the threat of the post up. Why are you being weird? They're just arguing that offense from the post isn't dead.
