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[cnnsi] Yao number 4 on Kelly Dwyer's NBA Player Rankings

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by wnes, Nov 11, 2006.

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Yao Ming
(This week: 4; Last week: 9)

With Bonzi Wells still rounding into shape, Shane Battier still struggling to make any sort of impact in Jeff Van Gundy's schemes and Tracy McGrady off to his usual slow start, Yao has been the Rockets' rock in the post. He is averaging 24.4 points and 7.8 rebounds in only 33 minutes, and hardly seems slowed by the foot ailments that cost him precious workout time last summer.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/kelly_dwyer/11/10/player.ranks/index.html

I see this ranking was done before the Rockets-Knicks game, which may possibly move Yao a couple of notches even higher.

Kudos to Kelly for giving Yao much deserved recognition from a major sports media!

#1 wnes, Nov 11, 2006

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Nice. Seems the first time in years that Yao tops LBJ in any contest.

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I disagree with the claim that Battier has not made an impact. So far, the Rockets have been a far better team with him on the court. He's had a huge impact. http://www.82games.com/0607/06HOU7D.HTM

#3 Van Gundier, Nov 11, 2006
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Yao Ming
(This week: 4; Last week: 9)

With Bonzi Wells still rounding into shape, Shane Battier still struggling to make any sort of impact in Jeff Van Gundy's schemes and Tracy McGrady off to his usual slow start, Yao has been the Rockets' rock in the post. He is averaging 24.4 points and 7.8 rebounds in only 33 minutes, and hardly seems slowed by the foot ailments that cost him precious workout time last summer.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/kelly_dwyer/11/10/player.ranks/index.html

I see this ranking was done before the Rockets-Knicks game, which may possibly move Yao a couple of notches even higher.

Kudos to Kelly for giving Yao much deserved recognition from a major sports media!
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This Kelly had no clue about Battier's contribution.

#4 tsunami, Nov 11, 2006
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He was ranked before last nights game.

Im sure he jumped up 1 or 2 spots after that.

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Kelly obviously only looks at points and rebounds when measuring Battier's contributions. Typical for a writer that probably has never watched the rockets play this year.

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Nice to see Yao in the top 5.. but this list is kind of weird. I understand that Dwyer's list is based on the first week. But it's refreshing to see some players that doesn't really matter much (antawn) make the top 10.

He's just showing some love to some often unrecognized players, that's all.

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Saw this on another BBS. I rearranged the list so that his rankings are sort of ordered (other than TO rankings at the bottom of the list).

Yao's ranking in some stat categories:

Ranks #1 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes(40.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field Goals Made(59.0)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Field Goals Per 48 Minutes(13.88 )
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Points Per 48 Minutes(36.9)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Total Efficiency Points(170.0)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Blocks(14.0)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Points(157.0)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking(28.33)
Ranks #5 in the NBA in Blocks Per Game(2.33)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Free Throws(39.0)
Ranks #8 in the NBA in Field-Goal Percentage(0.596)
Ranks #8 in the NBA in Field Goal Attempts(99.0)
Ranks #9 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts(45.0)
Ranks #9 in the NBA in Points Per Game(26.2)

Ranks #4 in the NBA in Total Turnovers(25.0)
Ranks #7 in the NBA in Turnovers Per Game(4.17)
Ranks #9 in the NBA in Turnovers Per 48 Minutes(5.88)

#8 wnes, Nov 11, 2006
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Kelly obviously only looks at points and rebounds when measuring Battier's contributions. Typical for a writer that probably has never watched the rockets play this year.
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Actually, Kelly is one of the few national writers who knows his Rockets preety darn well.

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Yao is just sick. It's also good to see Gilbert Arenas get some just due. But for me, these rankings don't mean zip until at least 15-20 games into the season. 4-5 games is just a trend.

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Even though Battier's offensive production seems very modest statistically, I do think he's had a very good impact. You can't discount the value of a player who's extremely efficient and doesn't turn the ball over. I also think he's the best post entry passer on the team.

#11 durvasa, Nov 11, 2006
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Damn, bold new NBA. I expected DWade or LBJ to be tops. Nope:

1 -LW - NA - Zach Randolph

Randolph still has his brain locks. His poorly timed 60-foot heave with eight seconds left in the first quarter against the Lakers on Wednesday night missed wildly, allowing Los Angeles to corral the rebound and nail an open 3-pointer as the buzzer sounded. And yet, you can't argue with the performance of a man who understands his role (score, often, and rebound too) and is performing to the peak of his abilities. He is averaging 28 points and 10.2 rebounds and shooting 51.6 percent from the floor and 91.5 percent from the line.

2 - LW - 13 - Allen Iverson

So far the 31-year-old has improved on his outstanding 2005-06 season, playing 44.2 minutes a night while leading an iffy Sixers team to three wins in its first five games. He is averaging 31.4 points, shooting 46.1 percent from the floor and adding 8.4 assists a game -- a mark that, if sustained, would be a career high. Iverson's not immune to the NBA's newish crackdown on palming violations, however, as he's averaging an unsightly 5.2 turnovers a game.

3 - LW - 11 - Gilbert Arenas

Arenas made believers out of us at Washington's home opener by wearing a boxing robe during introductions, then dropping 44 points on a Celtics team that couldn't guard Gerry Cooney. Though he's taking fewer shots this season and spreading the wealth a bit more (6.8 assists per game), Arenas is still averaging 28.8 points while adding nearly three steals a night.

4 - LW - 9 - Yao Ming

With Bonzi Wells still rounding into shape, Shane Battier still struggling to make any sort of impact in Jeff Van Gundy's schemes and Tracy McGrady off to his usual slow start, Yao has been the Rockets' rock in the post. He is averaging 24.4 points and 7.8 rebounds in only 33 minutes, and hardly seems slowed by the foot ailments that cost him precious workout time last summer.

5 - LW - 3 - LeBron James

His numbers have been there, and though his Cavaliers impressed with wins over Washington, San Antonio and Chicago, they've dropped games to Charlotte and Atlanta, and James had a lot to do with letting those gimmies slip away. The loss to the Hawks was especially egregious: James tried to win the game from the perimeter. Meanwhile, his counterpart, Joe Johnson, continually took it to the rim while opening up driving lanes for Tyronn Lue. Nevertheless, James is averaging an impressive 2.8 turnovers in 41 minutes a game while his All-Star brethren rack up the traveling calls, and his production is there at 26 points, 8 rebounds and 6.8 assists a game.

6 - LW - 15 - Chris Bosh

The Raptors beat the Sixers on Wednesday with Bosh's last-second three-pointer, and they opened 2-2 thanks to his efficient marks. He's averaging 22 points, 12.8 rebounds and 1.25 blocks in 32.8 minutes a game -- and even more incredibly, Raptors coach Sam Mitchell doesn't appear to be running as many plays for Bosh as he set up for the All-Star in 2005-06.

7 - LW - 5 - Kevin Garnett

Garnett is the reason the Timberwolves had a chance to win all five games in their 2-3 start. Shooting 57.5 percent from the floor and 90.3 percent from the charity stripe, Garnett is offering the de rigueur 22.4 points and 11.2 rebounds while looking spry on both ends. What's better, Garnett's team is looking like it will be a tough out for the rest of the season -- which is good news, because we wouldn't trust Kevin McHale with another lottery pick.

8 - LW - 8 - Steve Nash

In a welcome bit of good news for Suns fans struggling to cope with a 1-4 start, Nash is on pace to increase his numbers both in per-game statistics and overall efficiency for a third consecutive season. With Boris Diaw taking on less of a playmaker role, Nash has picked up the slack, notching 11.2 assists per game to go with 20 points on 53.7 percent shooting.

9 - LW - N/A - Antawn Jamison

We'll let Bethlehem Shoals of the blog Free Darko handle the bulk of this one: "Jamison might be one of the few players in the league whose actions actually have a remotely 'jazzy' contour to them. The point, though, is that Jamison's kind of idiosyncrasy is rarely considered to be messed-up or broken." Jamison's flips and runners often seem to start at the wrong place, near the side of his hip or cocked behind his right ear, but the Wizards hardly seem to mind. He's averaging 24.3 points in 36 minutes a game and shooting 58 percent from the floor.

10 - LW - N/A - Chris Paul

It's the best of both worlds for Paul: His Hornets won four of their first five games, which allows the sporting public to focus on just how much this second-year guard has improved. He is averaging 10.6 assists per game, up three from his rookie year, and he's turning the ball over 3.6 times (up from 2.4 last season). How good has Paul been? Tyson "Hands of Stone" Chandler is shooting 70 percent from the floor. Now, this hardly explains Peja Stojakovic's 35 percent mark, but let's try to stay positive, OK?
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I know that as the season progresses we will see the usual players like DWade and Kobe make this list and some fall off, but I do belive Yao is here to stay!

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battier has been everything i hoped he would be so i don't really get that comment.

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KD is one of the few writers that actually frequent this board. I venture to guess that he actually does watch the Rockets by the posts that he makes.

Knowing him I bet he'll respond to this thread .

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Nice. Yao gets some respect. But I think right now he should be top 2 with AI.

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BTW - here's the rankings by PER that can be found on www.knickerblogger.net. Revised with yesterdays games.

http://www.knickerblogger.net/stats/2007/jh_ALL_PER.htm

Yao is #2 behind Zach Randolph. (I believe he was like 6-8 or something like that earlier).

KD - would be interested if PER is something that you look at for coming up with your rankings.

#16 Tango, Nov 11, 2006
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Well I guess I don't quite agree with Kelly on Battier's lack of impact on this team. Battier is definitely the glue guy, the cosummate team player, Mr. Intangible, and all that. However, I can't help but notice in 6 games that he has played, he registered 2 rebounds once, 1 rebound once, and especially, 0 board in last night game against Knicks when he played mind-boggling 40 minutes. I can see Battier is a very intelligent player who rarely repeats the same mistake he made in the previous game. Case in point, he was in early foul trouble in the Bucks game on Wednesday but guess what, he had 0 foul on Friday! I am pretty sure he is not likely to have another low-rebounding game tomorrow.

After all, a small forward is still a forward -- a front-court player whose rebounding ability at some reasonable level is expected.

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Well I guess I don't quite agree with Kelly on Battier's lack of impact on this team. Battier is definitely the glue guy, Mr. Intangible, and all that. However, I can't help but notice out of 6 games that he has played, he registered 2 rebounds once, 1 rebound once, and especially, 0 board in last night game against Knicks when he played mind-boggling 40 minutes. I can see Battier is a very intelligent player who rarely repeats the same mistake he made in the previous game. Case in point, he was in early foul trouble in the Bucks game on Wednesday but guess what, he had 0 foul on Friday! I am pretty sure he is not likely to have another low-rebounding game tomorrow.

After all, a small forward is still a forward -- a front-court player whose rebounding ability at some reasonable level is expected.
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While Battier hasn't racked up a ton of boards, the Rockets still rebounds better with him on the court than with him sitting:

http://www.82games.com/0607/06HOU7D.HTM

They get 54% of available rebound with him playing and just 47% when he sits.

This is no 6-game fluke, either.

Over each of the last 2 years, the Grizz rebounded better with him playing than with him sitting.
http://www.82games.com/0506/05MEM9D.HTM
http://www.82games.com/04MEM7D.HTM

So, I would not be worry about Battier's rebounding. The Rockets are winning the rebound battles, they rebound better with him on the court.

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tsunami said:

This Kelly had no clue about Battier's contribution.
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i absolutely agree. you have to WATCH shane battier play to understand his contribution to a team.

unfortunately, charges taken, deflections, shots with a hand in the face, and great defensive rotations are not official stats.

however, that being said i would like to see more rebounds from him though. that's about it though. i think he has played very well.

#19 Hakeem06, Nov 11, 2006
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Tango said:

KD - would be interested if PER is something that you look at for coming up with your rankings.
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I do, though I believe Yao was fifth or sixth when I put this list together on Wednesday. I think PER is as close as we have to the tops as an offensive metric, but it's only part of the equation for this silly, arbitrary list.

Whoever said I haven't seen the Rockets play, or something along those lines ... sorry, but you're a moron. I've seen about 80 percent of each of their games thus far.

I'd like Battier to get to the line more, and his individual rebounding has been pathetic. Now, the Chuck Hayes/McGrady impact has been big on Shane and Yao's rebounding stats, they're about +7 rebounding as a team per game, but Battier still looks out of place sometimes on defense when the shot goes up -- he's still figuring out the defense and his place. When he does, and he starts to locate his guy when the shot is in the air and the potential rebound is in the offing, things will be fine.

That said, "any sort of impact" was probably a poor choice of words.

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