[ClutchFans] Podcast: Taking a look at Omer Asik Trade Possibilities

but the point of getting Rondo would be to take the ball out of Hardens hands. I don't see how everyone doesn't see our half court offense is already a mess, when we get down to the final minute the offense is exclusively Iso Harden and that is not winning us a playoff series it just won't it's to easy to defend.

As long as Harden is the teams primary ball handler we are going to be limited offensively, we have to have a million possessions right now just to keep up with teams because our offense has no idea how to slow down and not turn the ball over. That's where Rondo comes in.

 

Do you think if the Rockets offered the Clippers a deal of Lin + Asik + Garcia + future 2nd round draft pick for CP3, do you think they would do it?

 

Good podcast. Seems like Milsap is the smartest choice for now granted we can't get Love or LMA which seems that way.

 

He is given time to show a good merchandise because of the value contract right now. But soon, next season, his contract will not be so attractive after the resign. We currently have so many PF candidates which make CP tradable whenever we need a star in the next two years

 

Why so they can set thier franchise back 50 years?

 

awesome thanks!

 

Didn't want Pau before...still don't. He's just not all that and hasn't been for years. I see Pau now as a more expensive poor man's Asik (ok maybe not the same skill set but a step down).

Milsap. I wanted him before the season and I'd take him now. Come on Dec 15th...

 

I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees this. Rondo can get Howard more involved, Harden can start playing more off the ball for possibly easier buckets, and no more dribbling the shot clock out and passing when there is 2 seconds left.

 

Wrote about this a few times before, but it comes down to late game execution of this team in the half court.(on both ends, but more about the defense)

Harden Iso's are being run for a reason (might not be the reason you agree with but its a reason). I see what they are doing as mostly about turnover prevention. The Rockets are a very high turnover team especially in their half court sets by the nature of their style of play. By letting Harden go Iso they are limiting the risk mostly of turnovers that would give the other team easy points to essentially win the game.

So when Harden goes Iso at the end of games, they are trying to win by their halfcourt defense(which actually isn't bad if setup), and low risk, high reward shots from Harden to ice the game. If it looks like he's just dribbling out the clock and taking a prayer shot... its cause he is, but at least they will be ready to get back in their halfcourt defense on the miss.

Bringing in Rondo would help tremendously cutting down the turnovers during the game, they immediately get better defensively, and he might do a good job of running the show & getting everyone shots. However, late in games, it probably wont change anything.

Remember the Celtics late in games in that situation what they would run...... Paul Pierce isolation's pretty much every time where he was pretty much going to shoot or setup the same type of shot that Harden is taking. Even with Rondo on the Rockets, I still think Harden has the ball in his hands up 2 or 3 pts to end the game.

Not saying its the right gameplan, its the prettiest basketball, or that its necessarily effective offensively, but just saying that there is reason that both Houston Boston beforehand, and many other have employed the same strategy late in games when they go Iso with their best player at the top of the key.

 

If the Rockets already have their set core players, then why does it matter what they pay Parsons?? They will be way over the cap anyways after they make a trade for an impact player.

I look at this in one of two ways... Either the Rockets make a deal to bring in an impact player in the next two years, or they dont.

-If they do make a deal then they are most likely locked in financially and it doesn't really matter if you have to overpay Parsons. If he helps you win then you can keep him, and it doesn't really matter.

-If they dont make any deals until the Summer of 2015 then they will have the ability to bring in up to a max free agent the same summer that Parsons is a free agent, and with his low cap hold they have the ability to bring in that player AND keep Parsons. He doesn't hurt your free agency situation at all unless you have your eyes set on 2016... which by that time Howard and Harden might have grown a little impatient.

Either way, there is really no reason I can see to move Parsons, but I'm willing to listen to what these guys think if they can see reasons to otherwise.

 

Morey hit a couple of doubles with Lin and Asik and a home run with Dwight. There is no way he kills his 2015 cap unless the player is an all star. That means Ersan Ilyasova and Ryan Anderson are not on Morey's list, because their contracts extend beyond next season. That leaves Paul Millsap who just happens to be a perfect fit and who's contract expires after next season. Add the fact that salaries match and that Asik would be a great fit in Atlanta, and it's not difficult to see where this is going.

 

Asik for Rondo straight up works on the trade machine. No Lin needed.

 

No Lin is very much needed if that deal happened... Omer Asik won't get the fans interested while they are tanking, but Jeremy Lin would! That kind of was the whole reason we signed him, I'm convinced Morey was finally ready to take because he thought he couldn't get a superstar so he said "at least if I get Lin the fans will be intrigued." and then Sam Presti called and the rest is history.

 

Given that no trade is really likely until December 15, this should give the team time to do something they really should do before making a deal: assess what they really have on the roster already, particularly their young PFs but also the rest of the roster.

With Jones and DMo, it would be good to find out how much we should trust each of them to play important minutes come playoff time as either a PF or backup C to Howard. Jones has been productive the last few games, but can he keep it up?

Also, it would be good to their trade value if they are to show some signs of improvement when they of get on the court. As has been discussed, a draft pick's value is kind of like that of a car-- it decreases as soon as you "drive him off the lot" and continues to decrease unless he starts performing like a real NBA player. It would be good for their trade value if Jones and DMo can show at least some signs of competence to attract a young teams that might want to bank on their potential even if they are not quite ready to be important playoff pieces yet.

As for the team overall, I think it would be wise to figure our what exactly it needs in return for Asik. PF is discussed a lot here, but there are other potential needs, too: Will the Rockets learn to defend better on the perimeter or do they need a better defender there to either add to what they have or replace one of Lin/Harden/Parsons? Is the 3 point shooting just in a slump or do you need to bring in an elite shooting specialist to really help the team? Is there something better at PG that you can get than Lin and Beverley?

 

People continue to ask this question over and over and the answer is always the same. Why wouldn't he be able to keep it up? All that was needed was PT. He will only continue to get better the more comfortable he gets with the starters. He can pretty much lock up that so-called star PF situation in just a few more games. And no, this is not just hype.

 

Yep. I'm pretty much sold on this deal now. The issue will be getting a cheap backup C for the rest of the year and figuring out if TJones or DMo will have any value to us or any other team before their PT disappears once that forward whoever-he-happens-to-be arrives.

 

If we are going to take a long contract a trade with Boston can be:

Asik + Lin

for

Rondo + Gerald Wallace + the 2 Brooklin 1st round pics
(Boston want unload his long bad contract) + the 2 Brooklin 1st round pics ( think they are unprotected) for taking Wallace contract

I know Wallace contract is horrible but with the pics sound better.
And he can contribute and play PF and SF

Yes we are out of the 2015 free agency, but at this time we can make a s&t deal with his expiring contract

 

Ersan's contract is $7.9mil for 2015 and then it is $8.4mil for 2016, but only $800k guaranteed. This means his contract would be very movable in the summer of 2015 (unless he's very injured or something). It wouldn't be hard to get a team to take the contract, or even trade him for market value. I don't think Morey would be afraid of taking that contract at all. Makes you better in the short run while keeping your long term options open.

 

You want Boston to trade a young All-Star and 2 unprotected 1st round picks for Lin and Asik?

 

maybe is optimistic
but in this thread - Analysis- Asik and Houston - the israeli newspaper see it as a possibility. Remember the wallace contract is toxic.