[ClutchFans] Houston Rockets Salary Cap Update (3/26/2012)

joesr · Apr 28, 2012

chapinha_br said: ↑

It seems to me that Dragic may be the new Aaron Brooks: very good as a "new" starter on the league. But as teams ajusts to his style of play, he would begin to fade. I would keep Lowry
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last couple games that was already showing..... l;S

Carl Herrera · Apr 29, 2012

Edited table with revised minimum salary numbers. Difference in math not significant.

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<tr class="tableizer-firstrow"><th>Scenario 1</th><th> </th><th> </th><th> </th><th> </th><th> </th><th> </th></tr> <tr><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> </td><td> 2011-12 </td><td> 2012-13 </td><td> 2013-14 </td><td>2014-15</td><td>2015-16</td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Kevin Martin </td><td> $11,519,840 </td><td> $12,439,675 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Luis Scola </td><td> $8,591,793 </td><td> $9,408,207 </td><td> $10,224,622 </td><td>$11,041,037 </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Samuel Dalembert </td><td> $7,000,000 </td><td> $6,698,565 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Kyle Lowry </td><td> $5,750,000 </td><td> $5,750,000 </td><td> $6,210,000 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Courtney Lee </td><td> $2,225,093 </td><td> $5,560,000 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Goran Dragic </td><td> $2,108,000 </td><td> $4,010,000 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Patrick Patterson </td><td> $1,959,960 </td><td> $2,096,760 </td><td> $3,105,302 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Marcus Morris </td><td> $1,823,280 </td><td> $1,905,360 </td><td> $1,987,320 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Chase Budinger </td><td> $854,389 </td><td> $885,120 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Chandler Parsons </td><td> $850,000 </td><td> $888,250 </td><td> $926,500 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Greg Smith** </td><td> $473,604 </td><td> $762,195 </td><td> $854,389 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Derek Fisher </td><td> $3,400,000 </td><td> $644,005 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>Courtney Fortson</td><td> $473,604 </td><td> $762,195 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>Diamon Simpson</td><td> $473,604 </td><td> $762,195 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>Marcus Camby</td><td> $11,071,500 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>Earl Boykins</td><td> $762,195 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>14th Pick</td><td> $- </td><td> $1,519,400 </td><td> $1,905,360 </td><td> $1,987,320 </td><td> $2,943,221 </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>16th Pick</td><td> $- </td><td> $1,371,200 </td><td> $1,719,480 </td><td> $1,793,520 </td><td> $2,751,260 </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>Donatas Motiejunas</td><td> </td><td> $1,134,500 </td><td> $1,422,720 </td><td> $1,483,920 </td><td> $2,288,205 </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>SUM</td><td> $59,336,862 </td><td> $56,597,627 </td><td> $28,355,693 </td><td> $16,305,797 </td><td> $7,982,686 </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td># of Players</td><td>15</td><td>17</td><td>9</td><td>4</td><td>3</td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>$ below $58.04 mil Cap</td><td> $(1,296,862)</td><td> $1,442,373 </td><td> $29,684,307 </td><td> $41,734,203 </td><td> $50,057,314 </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>Scenario 2</td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> </td><td> 2011-12 </td><td> 2012-13 </td><td> 2013-14 </td><td>2014-15</td><td>2015-16</td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Kevin Martin </td><td> $11,519,840 </td><td> $12,439,675 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Luis Scola </td><td> $8,591,793 </td><td> $9,408,207 </td><td> $10,224,622 </td><td>$11,041,037 </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Samuel Dalembert </td><td> $7,000,000 </td><td> $1,500,000 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Kyle Lowry </td><td> $5,750,000 </td><td> $5,750,000 </td><td> $6,210,000 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Courtney Lee </td><td> $2,225,093 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Goran Dragic </td><td> $2,108,000 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Patrick Patterson </td><td> $1,959,960 </td><td> $2,096,760 </td><td> $3,105,302 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Marcus Morris </td><td> $1,823,280 </td><td> $1,905,360 </td><td> $1,987,320 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Chase Budinger </td><td> $854,389 </td><td> $885,120 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Chandler Parsons </td><td> $850,000 </td><td> $888,250 </td><td> $926,500 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Greg Smith** </td><td> $473,604 </td><td> $762,195 </td><td> $854,389 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Derek Fisher </td><td> $3,400,000 </td><td> $644,005 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>Courtney Fortson</td><td> $473,604 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>Diamon Simpson</td><td> $473,604 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>Marcus Camby</td><td> $11,071,500 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>Earl Boykins</td><td> $762,195 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>14th Pick</td><td> $- </td><td> $1,519,400 </td><td> $1,905,360 </td><td> $1,987,320 </td><td> $2,943,221 </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>16th Pick</td><td> $- </td><td> $1,371,200 </td><td> $1,719,480 </td><td> $1,793,520 </td><td> $2,751,260 </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>Donatas Motiejunas</td><td> </td><td> $1,134,500 </td><td> $1,422,720 </td><td> $1,483,920 </td><td> $2,288,205 </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>SUM</td><td> $59,336,862 </td><td> $40,304,672 </td><td> $28,355,693 </td><td> $16,305,797 </td><td> $7,982,686 </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td># of Players</td><td>15</td><td>12</td><td>9</td><td>4</td><td>3</td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>$ below $58.04 mil Cap</td><td> $(1,296,862)</td><td> $17,735,328 </td><td> $29,684,307 </td><td> $41,734,203 </td><td> $50,057,314 </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>Scenario 3</td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> </td><td> 2011-12 </td><td> 2012-13 </td><td> 2013-14 </td><td>2014-15</td><td>2015-16</td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Kevin Martin </td><td> $11,519,840 </td><td> $12,439,675 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Luis Scola </td><td> $8,591,793 </td><td> $9,408,207 </td><td> $10,224,622 </td><td>$11,041,037 </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Samuel Dalembert </td><td> $7,000,000 </td><td> $1,500,000 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Kyle Lowry </td><td> $5,750,000 </td><td> $5,750,000 </td><td> $6,210,000 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Courtney Lee </td><td> $2,225,093 </td><td> $5,560,000 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Goran Dragic </td><td> $2,108,000 </td><td> $4,010,000 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Patrick Patterson </td><td> $1,959,960 </td><td> $2,096,760 </td><td> $3,105,302 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Marcus Morris </td><td> $1,823,280 </td><td> $1,905,360 </td><td> $1,987,320 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Chase Budinger </td><td> $854,389 </td><td> $885,120 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Chandler Parsons </td><td> $850,000 </td><td> $888,250 </td><td> $926,500 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Greg Smith** </td><td> $473,604 </td><td> $762,195 </td><td> $854,389 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> Derek Fisher </td><td> $3,400,000 </td><td> $644,005 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>Courtney Fortson</td><td> $473,604 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>Diamon Simpson</td><td> $473,604 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>Marcus Camby</td><td> $11,071,500 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>Earl Boykins</td><td> $762,195 </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>14th Pick</td><td> $- </td><td> $1,519,400 </td><td> $1,905,360 </td><td> $1,987,320 </td><td> $2,943,221 </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>16th Pick</td><td> $- </td><td> $1,371,200 </td><td> $1,719,480 </td><td> $1,793,520 </td><td> $2,751,260 </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>Donatas Motiejunas</td><td> </td><td> $1,134,500 </td><td> $1,422,720 </td><td> $1,483,920 </td><td> $2,288,205 </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>SUM</td><td> $59,336,862 </td><td> $49,874,672 </td><td> $28,355,693 </td><td> $16,305,797 </td><td> $7,982,686 </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td># of Players</td><td>15</td><td>14</td><td>9</td><td>4</td><td>3</td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td>$ below $58.04 mil Cap</td><td> $(1,296,862)</td><td> $8,165,328 </td><td> $29,684,307 </td><td> $41,734,203 </td><td> $50,057,314 </td><td> </td></tr> <tr><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td> </td><td></td></tr></table>

BimaThug · Apr 30, 2012

^ You got it, CH.

If the Rockets are TRULY committed to bringing back Dragic and Lee at (almost) any price, then it might make more sense to keep/trade Dalembert (rather than waive him) and just forego cap room altogether. They could still have the full MLE ($5M) plus the BAE (~$2M) as opposed to their "cap hold/sans Dalembert" scenario ($8.1M).

Just something to consider, and even that is moot if (really, WHEN) the Rockets make some other maneuvers.

laserguy183 · Apr 30, 2012

Just wondering, would it be possible to keep dragic and offer harden the max?

teebone21 · May 1, 2012

man if we get rid of martin we will have room to shop

Da_Spark · May 1, 2012

Martin's trade value would increase this coming season since his contract is expiring.

kops630 · May 1, 2012

rockets have the future???

anchel · May 1, 2012

I think after all the Rockets will let Dragic go for free unless they do a draft trade involving Lowry. Of course no way Goran + Kyle.

Aruba77 · May 1, 2012

I think it's pretty clear that we've got to get rid of Scola. That $11 mil in 2014-15 is a killer. Other than that, Morey's done an excellent job managing our cap.

CH- one question though: How do you figure we keep Dragic for one more year at $4 mil in a couple of your scenarios? He's a UFA.

Carl Herrera · May 1, 2012

Aruba77 said: ↑

I think it's pretty clear that we've got to get rid of Scola. That $11 mil in 2014-15 is a killer. Other than that, Morey's done an excellent job managing our cap.
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The money for 2014/15 is not guaranteed

LabMouse · May 1, 2012

Drinking too much could result in a fun thinking when I am doing an salary cap analysis.

Aruba77 said: ↑

CH- one question though: How do you figure we keep Dragic for one more year at $4 mil in a couple of your scenarios? He's a UFA.
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HMMMHMM · May 1, 2012

Aruba77 said: ↑

CH- one question though: How do you figure we keep Dragic for one more year at $4 mil in a couple of your scenarios? He's a UFA.
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That's Dragic's cap hold. Same for Lee.

Aruba77 · May 1, 2012

HMMMHMM said: ↑

That's Dragic's cap hold. Same for Lee.
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What do you mean by cap-hold? Dragic is a UFA. His cap number will be determined by what he agrees to resign for; if he resigns. No?

HMMMHMM · May 1, 2012

Aruba77 said: ↑

What do you mean by cap-hold? Dragic is a UFA. His cap number will be determined by what he agrees to resign for; if he resigns.
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Question: What is a cap hold and why may I want to ask that?

Answer: Your team's free agents have what is called a "cap hold." This is an amount of money that is charged to your team's salary cap number, even though the player isn't under contract. This is a deliberate ploy that exists to close a loophole; if cap holds didn't exist, it's theoretically possible for a team to have its entire roster become free agents at the same time, have their entire cap to spend on other team's free agents, and then use Bird rights to re-sign their own ones afterwards. And that would be disingenuous. This way, your free agents eat into your cap room, forcing you to prioritise a bit better. And the players below have cap holds (also known as "free agent amounts") that have not yet been renounced, making them technically interesting. Technically.

If you waive a player, they are automatically renounced, and so will not have a cap hold. If a player signs with another NBA team, they also no longer have a cap hold to their former team. And if a player retires (by which I mean he properly retires, sending official retirement paperwork to league and everything, and not just informally saying that they've retired), then their free agent amount is removed too. However, players often don't formally retire until they're eligible for their NBA pension, and the reason for that (other than laziness) is that many of them still have cap holds with NBA teams, which means that they can still be incorporated into sign and trades as salary filler for trades. It would be an extremely impossible thing to imagine had it not already happened: at the 2007 trade deadline, Aaron McKie and Keith Van Horn were both signed and traded to complete deals while being unofficially retired, earning them 7 figures worth of free cheddar. And all they had to do was not file the retirement paperwork. It's implausible, but it happens. (Similarly, if a player's contract with an NBA team expires without him going through waivers, and he then signs with a non-NBA team, he will continue to have a cap hold until he's renounced.)

These cap holds can stick around for years if the team remains over the salary cap in that time. And, as you'll see below, they do. There's some players from the late 90's on here, for God's sake. However, when teams have set themelves up for cap room, they renounce these basically useless free agent amounts to maximize how much room they have. For example, in the summer of 2007, Milwaukee, Orlando and Memphis all figured to have cap room, and so they renounced all their free agents who weren't under contract. These included players from previous years; Orlando renounced Darko Milicic, Grant Hill, Andrew DeClercq, Stacey Augmon, Jaren Jackson, Mark Jones, Shawn Kemp, Sean Rooks, Bo Outlaw and Olumide Oyedeji; Milwaukee renounced Reece Gaines, Jermaine Jackson, Ervin Johnson, Toni Kukoc, Jiri Welsch, Ruben Patterson, Brian Skinner, Jared Reiner and Earl Boykins; and Memphis renounced Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf, Junior Harrington, Lawrence Roberts, Mike Batiste, Antoine Carr, Kevin Edwards, Antonis Fotsis, Dahntay Jones, Will Solomon and Doug West. The randomness of those players should help illustrate the randomness of some of the players listed below, and why they're still here. (As you will no doubt see, Indiana hasn't had cap space for a while.)

The cap hold that these free agents have varies, depending on how much the salary in the final year of their last NBA contract was; the cap hold is a percentage of that salary, and is also dependent on what kind of free agent rights the team has on that player. Listed in the "type" column is a brief description of the cap hold that that player has, and a fleshed out description of what those terms mean follows this colon:

250%: The player is a Larry Bird free agent, coming off of a rookie scale contract, and the last year of his previous contract was lesser than the average salary.

200%: The player is a Larry Bird free agent, coming off of a rookie scale contract, and the last year of his previous contract was greater than the average salary.

190%: The player is a Larry Bird free agent, NOT coming off of a rookie scale contract, and the last year of his previous contract was lesser than the average salary.

150%: The player is a Larry Bird free agent, NOT coming off of a rookie scale contract, and the last year of his previous contract was greater than the average salary.

130%: The player is an Early Bird free agent.

120%: The player is a non-Bird free agent.

Min: The player's previous salary was a minimum salary contract, and therefore so is their cap hold. Note that if the player has one year of experience, the second year minimum is used, but if the player has more experience than that, the third year minimum is used instead, even if they're like a 28 year veteran. This is due to the league's rebate policy thing that sees all players with two or more years experience signed to a one year (or rest of the year) minimum salary contract are charged to their team's salary cap as being only third year players, with the league making up the balance between that and their actual minimum salary, so as to not deter teams from signing older players just because they cost more.

Max: If the player had used the correct one of the percentages used above, their contract would have exceeded the maximum salary; therefore the maximum salary is used instead.

3rd year: The player is a free agent after only three seasons of their rookie contract, having had their fourth year option declined. Their cap hold becomes what the value of their fourth year option would have been. Note: such players are NOT eligible for restricted free agency,

2nd year: Same as 3rd year, but a year earlier (i.e. they had their third year option declined).

QO: The player is a restricted free agent, but NOT coming off of the rookie salary scale; their cap hold is for the value of their qualifying offer.

Offer sheet: The player currently has an offer sheet pending; if the first year's salary of that offer sheet is greater than the QO, then the value of the first year of the offer sheet is used as the cap hold.
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http://www.shamsports.com/whatthedeuce.htm

LabMouse · May 1, 2012

The cap hold is meaningless in the salary cap analysis when a player value is much higher than the hold, Lee's cap hold value is about right.

HMMMHMM said: ↑

http://www.shamsports.com/whatthedeuce.htm
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ArtV · May 1, 2012

sooo...

Scenario 1: Yea - same team! Who do we pick with the 14th pick in 2013?
Scenario 2: Yea - 17 million to (over)spend on FAs while losing Goran and Lee. I smell another 14 coming...
Scenario 3: Yea - same team minus Sammy which means more PPat and Scola at the 5! Woohoo~!

When can I sign up for season tickets?

Carl Herrera · May 1, 2012

LabMouse said: ↑

The cap hold is meaningless in the salary cap analysis when a player value is much higher than the hold, Lee's cap hold value is about right.
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It is very relevant in one respect: The cap hold is what counts for cap room purposes) until the free agent is either re-signed (in which case the new salary $ amount counts) or let go (in which case the cap impact becomes $0).

For example, as of July 1, 2012, assuming the Rockets have not make any moves yet other than letting Dalembert go, the Rockets have a total payroll of $49,876,672 for the purpose of calculating cap room, this number includes the cap holds for everyone. Assuming the salary cap is $58.04 million like it was last year (this is a very likely scenario), the Rockets would have roughly $8.16 million in cap room until either Dragic or Lee re-signs or is let go.

This means that they can sign a free agent a $8.16 million starting salary (for example, Kris Humphries). They can then re-sign Lee and Dragic to whatever contract that they want to sign them to, even if these contracts take the total payroll above the $58.04 million cap.

Basically, you have a "window" in which sign a FA while having the cap hold count for cap room purposes.

Carl Herrera · May 1, 2012

ArtV said: ↑

sooo...

Scenario 1: Yea - same team! Who do we pick with the 14th pick in 2013?
Scenario 2: Yea - 17 million to (over)spend on FAs while losing Goran and Lee. I smell another 14 coming...
Scenario 3: Yea - same team minus Sammy which means more PPat and Scola at the 5! Woohoo~!

When can I sign up for season tickets?
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So, you are saying that the Rockets will have the 14th pick whether or not they bring back Dragic and Lee? In that case we should definitely let their useless asses go.

Raven · May 1, 2012

The Rockets have set themselves up nicely to make a run at a major acquisition next summer, either via free agency or via trade, by positioning themselves as one of several NBA teams that will have enough cap room to sign a maximum salary free agent.

Or they can make some moves for the future while still preserving salary cap flexibility for 2013 and beyond.
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Hilarious!

Oh wait, no it's not.

ArtV · May 1, 2012

Carl Herrera said: ↑

So, you are saying that the Rockets will have the 14th pick whether or not they bring back Dragic and Lee? In that case we should definitely let their useless asses go.
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No I'm saying that the money they save by signing someone else instead of them puts them right back to where we are today.

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