Carlos Beltran announces retirement

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  1. juicystream

    juicystream Contributing Member

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    While not a CF, Larry Walker's stagnation at 20% is telling as well. Walker's counting stats are less, but his averages are vastly better, and he has the higher WAR. Beltran won't have the Coors field effect to deal with, but he is just missing that it factor. Despite playing in NYC for several years, I don't think Beltran ever really got the same attention others have ..
     
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  2. Hey Now!

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    OK........ Mantle >>>>>> Berkman >>>> Beltran.

    So? I don't follow the point you're trying to make....... Berkman has no shot at the HoF.
     
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  3. Buck Turgidson

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    Neither does Beltran. That was my point.

    Am I forgetting someone?
     
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  5. juicystream

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    I'd be stunned if he never got in. Lance Berkman if his body didn't break down he would be in the HOF (if he could play defense that would have helped too).

    Beltran has defensive value and played long enough to have the counting numbers needed. He still reached base nearly 4000 times , with over 2700 hits while hitting over 400 bombs. I'd guess every eligible non-roider is in with those numbers.
     
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    I was just spitballing the 3 best switch hitters I could think of. There has to be another one that I'm forgetting.
     
  7. hieuytran

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    Chipper Jones
     
  8. Buck Turgidson

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    Asshole.
     
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  9. Tomstro

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    Beltran was a better player than both of them.
     
  10. SLRokJok

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    Thx Beltran
     
  11. bobrek

    bobrek Vamos Los Astros

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    That Pete Rose fellow had a pretty good career from what I hear.
     
  12. the shark

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    Eddie Murray was pretty good as well
     
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    I bet if was he's wearing a Stros cap
     
  14. No Worries

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    From Astros County ...

    Brent Strom talked to MLB Network Radio yesterday about how Carlos Beltran made his job easier. Strom:

     
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    Ah. OK. I think he (probably) has a better case than Berkman. But I think his path is tougher than people realize.
     
  16. Hey Now!

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    He was a significantly better base stealer than Jim Edmonds - which isn't unimportant. But offensively, Edmonds was better and I think his defensive peak is longer than Beltran's.

    Regardless, they're fairly equal and Edmonds was one and done.
     
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    I wonder if the Astros can find a coaching position for Beltran next season.
     
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    I would love for him to be a coach next season with the Astros. Sounds like he will take a year off before coaching.
     
  19. Tomstro

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    Beltran has more home runs, significantly more RBI, way more doubles, and overall crushes Edmonds offensively. Beltran also has like 800 more hits than edmonds. Its a no brainer. Nobody takes edmonds if given the choice in their primes.
     
  20. Hey Now!

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    Yes; Beltran has more counting stats because, you know, he played in 575 more games and totaled 3,051 more career plate appearances.......

    Edmonds: .284/.376/.527/.903; 132 OPS+; 60.3 WAR; 7,980 PAs
    Beltran: .279/.350/.486/.837; 119 OPS+; 69.8 WAR; 11,031 PAs

    Looking at just their 10-year peaks, it's still Edmonds:
    Edmonds ('96-'05): .293 /.392/.556/.948; 142 OPS+; 50.4 WAR
    Beltran ('03-'12): .282/.368/.509/.878; 130 OPS+; 48.4 WAR

    Beltran obviously had monster postseasons - but it's not like Edmonds was bad (.274/.361/.513/.874; 118) and he actually contributed to his lone WS ring.

    Edmonds may very well be the one of the 10 most underrated players in baseball history.
     
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