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Capela wants $100m/4yrs. Rockets offering $60m/4yrs

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by bmd, Jul 10, 2018.

  1. YOLO

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    like i said i love CC, his impact, what he brings to the table and im not going to trash him
     
  2. JayZ750

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    As you said, the Mavs are OBVIOUS. I guess the Rockets response there could be "go ahead, we'll sign DJ to the MLE"....

    Here's a rough projection of teams with cap space
    https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/2019/
    Sort by practical cap space

    So Mavs, Hawks I could see (pair him next to Collins and try and mask Trae's bad perimeter defense), Clippers, Knicks (could be interesting next to Porzingis), Spurs (that'd be weird, but Pop has always had a hard-on for bigs)

    Like I said, he's like;y better accepting even $17 million a year this year, but his negotiating position at least makes sense.
     
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  3. K-Low_4_Prez

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    Some of you guys are ridiculous... Capela is just trying to get a fair deal. No reason to say “**** you”
     
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    If QO is the best we can get this off season, my vote would be to do a sign and trade this off season and package Ryno along with him to get him off the books.

    A few players that I think this could happen for: Love, Kawhi?... who else?
     
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  5. MystikArkitect

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    4 yrs 80 mill is fine.

    Give him 4 yrs 85 mill if he agrees to drop his agent.
     
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  6. RESINator

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    Clint played excellent perimeter and interior defense on curry. Blocked a few 3s and layups
     
  7. topfive

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    I'd offer him $20M-$21M/yr for 4 years if the last year is a team option. Just in case, y'know?
     
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  8. steddinotayto

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    If Capela is reading this forum then maybe we have hope to knock some sense into him for wanting $25 mill a year. If he's easily insulted by the F Yous then he's got a lot to learn from CP3 and Harden about having thick skin
     
  9. The_Yoyo

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    He got worked though by Draymond and has typically played not the best against Boogie. The Warriors who the Rockets are worried about not the Wolves, not the Jazz.

    Capela has made amazing strides and deserves to get paid and 4/80 is fair IMO.

    Capela struggles to play against the stronger and more physical players in the league because he is still without bulk. Having Nene as the backup is a perfect contrast since Nene is the muscle. Secondly Capela's stamina is such that he doesn't go 32-33mpg at full strength.

    Now the best comparison to Capela is DeAndre Jordan. Capela's numbers are better or around the same when looking at their stats at the same age of 23. This is great and hopefully should project into saying Capela will grow as the better player. Jordan though is more athletic and a lot bigger than Capela.

    That all being said Jordan signed a 4 year roughly 82M dollar deal with the Clippers coming off of a season where he lead the lead in rebounding at 15 a game and scoring 11.5ppg and led the league in FG% at an absurd 71%. He also played just over 34mpg. Granted those numbers were when he was 26 and Capela could grow into that player (hell could happen next year) but for a guy who was way better in the same role got 82M. I am not sure where Capela believes he is worth 25M per year ...especially in THIS market.

    Hell Aaron Gordon got 4/80M in this market and Gordon is a younger, better player than Capela with far more upside.

    Capela made a jump two seasons ago which was great to see, some of that though has to be attributed to Dwight leaving opening up the starting spot for him. Capela made huge strides defensively though this past season and should be paid but at a reasonable rate.

    BJ Amstrong is a terrible agent too btw, I mean where he gets this idea is beyond me. He probably is also a bit emotional dealing with the Rockets given the past history with DMo but agents should try to get the most money for their clients given realistic parameters. Can the Rockets pay Clint the max? Yes they can...but why should they try to drive up the price and overpay for a player that no one else is trying to compete for? If there was a team out there that offered Capela that much money then I would have expected the Rockets to match because someone else set the price but without any competition for him it makes no sense.

    Taking the QO and becoming a UFA is a huge huge risk for Capela. I am hoping for a better season out of him but that isn't guaranteed and more importantly he is going to be entering a FA market with much bigger names than him, hell there are two better players at the center position as free agents in Jordan and Cousins next season let alone guys like Kawhi, KD etc.

    Capela needs to look at Nerlens Noel. Noel has had his share of injuries but his potential is much higher than Clint IMO and he turned down a big offer only to end up having a really bad year with Mavs where he was benched and then had to take a min contract with OKC.
     
  10. Aruba77

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    $15 mil is fair in this market and with respect to where Clint is in his development. If we were in a more player-friendly contract environment, i'd go $20, but i think Clint is being unrealistic at $25. I fully expected some team to offer him the max, and i was okay overpaying to match, but since that hasn't happened, i don't think $15 is low-balling Clint at all. And if he knows what's good for him; he'll take the money. $60 mil for 4 years, and he'll only be 27 when it's time for a new contract? Take the money.
     
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    Ten days into NBA free agency, 36 players have signed true one-year contracts or deals with options that could have them back on the market next year. Only 20 players had signed similar contracts after two weeks last July.

    We saw this coming. Anticipating the financial crunch, a striking 20 of 28 players signed up for their 2018-19 player options back in June. Teams made it clear that future flexibility would be paramount after spending sprees the past two summers.

    The good news (well, for some): We're set for another unprecedented July in 2019. The cap is projected to rise from $101.8 million to $109 million -- and then reach $116 million in 2020-21. At least 15 teams should have room north of $20 million. And more than 200 free agents will flood the market.

    That's right. Almost half the NBA could hit free agency next summer. This summer the number was close to 120.

    Will teams learn from 2016 mistakes after writing blank checks -- to the likes of Luol Deng, Chandler Parsons, Timofey Mozgov and Joakim Noah -- that left franchises stuck in mediocrity? Don't be surprised if the summer of short-term contracts carries over until 2020, when the most painful contracts expire.

    The All-Stars, and a ripple effect

    This 2019 free-agent crop is loaded:
    Kevin Durant (player option)
    Kawhi Leonard (PO)
    Kyrie Irving (PO)
    Klay Thompson
    Al Horford (PO)
    Jimmy Butler (PO)
    Marc Gasol (PO)
    Goran Dragic (PO)
    DeAndre Jordan
    DeMarcus Cousins
    Kristaps Porzingis (restricted)
    Karl-Anthony Towns (R)
    Kemba Walker
    Kevin Love (PO)

    Out in Los Angeles, LeBron James will likely have his pick of new All-Star teammates to recruit -- a rare occurrence, since his contending Miami and Cleveland teams were strapped deep into the luxury tax each offseason. Plus, there will be good (and mediocre) teams with money ready to pay the big names.

    So it's a good time to be an All-Star ... or a rookie, since the salary scale for first-round picks increased significantly in the latest collective bargaining agreement (CBA). But everyone else -- the 170-plus players making up the middle class of the market, and especially non-max restricted free agents -- could be squeezed out once again.

    The quiet July for Marcus Smart and Jabari Parker this year could continue with Terry Rozier, D'Angelo Russell and Kelly Oubre.

    This list of teams with cap space is dominated by big-market franchises who will be chasing stars or rebuilding teams likely looking to stay the conservative course.

    Who will have cap space?

    Note: Cap space does not factor in 2019 first-round picks

    The big markets

    Los Angeles Lakers:
    Projected room: $25 million

    Help is on the way for the Lakers. After landing LeBron this summer, L.A. will be in position to add a second All-NBA free agent. As evident by the one-year contracts of Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Rajon Rondo, Lance Stephenson and JaVale McGee, the Lakers are positioning themselves to go big-game hunting.

    Getting to the max salary slot will come at the expense of Luol Deng, either by trading his then-expiring deal or stretching his $18.8 million contract over three years (starting in 2019-20). Expect the Lakers to have anywhere from $36 million (Deng stretched) to $43 million (Deng traded) next summer.

    Philadelphia 76ers: Projected room: $37 million

    The window for Philadelphia to use cap space is closing. After going the one-year route once again this offseason and missing on their top target in LeBron James, the Sixers will be in the same position next July.

    However, they won't be able to count on rolling over cap space anymore with Ben Simmons and Dario Saric set to hit restricted free agency in 2020. Their $11.5 million in combined 2019-20 salary will be replaced with $35 million in free-agent holds in July 2020, shrinking Philly's cap space to $15 million without factoring in other potential moves.

    LA Clippers: Projected room: $29 million

    LA is using this season as a bridge to next summer after years in cap purgatory.

    With only four guaranteed contracts -- including $30 million combined in Danilo Gallinari and Lou Williams -- the Clips will be in position to add a max player. Their room can increase to $63 million if Tobias Harris does not return and the $12.5 million non-guaranteed contract of Avery Bradley is waived.

    Key free-agent holds: Tobias Harris ($22 million)

    New York Knicks: Projected room: $26.5 million

    If New York wants to be in a position to sign an All-Star in 2019, franchise cornerstone Kristap Porzingis will need to wait a year for a new contract.

    If Porzingis doesn't extend early, the Knicks project to have $26.5 million in room if the rights to Enes Kanter and Mario Hezonja are renounced and Lance Thomas's non-guaranteed $7 million contract is waived. Signing Porzingis to a $158 million rookie extension before November will shrink New York's space to $17 million.

    Even waiting on Porzingis' new deal doesn't get the Knicks all the way to max room for Kyrie Irving or Jimmy Butler, though. New York needs to waive Joakim Noah and stretch his $19.3 million contract over three seasons to hit $40 million. (In the unlikely scenario that Noah is traded, cap space jumps to $46 million.) And if the Knicks want to land two max players, they'll need to move the expiring contracts of Courtney Lee and Tim Hardaway Jr.

    Brooklyn Nets: Projected room: $36 million

    Restricted free agency will dictate Brooklyn's cap flexibility.

    Removing the cap holds of all their free agents except for D'Angelo Russell, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson and Spencer Dinwiddie leaves Brooklyn with $36 million in room -- a figure that could shrink if Dinwiddie signs an extension in December when he is eligible. Getting to space for two max salaries is doable but would require trading the $18.5 million Allen Crabbe contract and signing Russell to an annual salary in the $12 million range.

    Key free-agent holds: D'Angelo Russell ($21 million), Spencer Dinwiddie ($1.6 million) and Rondae Hollis-Jefferson ($7.4 million)

    Chicago Bulls: Projected room: $35 million

    The $78 million Zach LaVine contract put a small dent in the Bulls' flexibility next summer.

    Despite the $19.5 million cap hit, Chicago is still operating from a position of strength with a projected $35 million in room, including five players on first-round rookie contracts. Renouncing Bobby Portis and Cameron Payne would see cap space increase to $53 million.

    Key free-agent holds: Cameron Payne ($9.8 million), Bobby Portis ($7.5 million)

    In the mix

    New Orleans Pelicans: Projected room: $27 million

    This will be the most important summer in franchise history. Anthony Davis is eligible to sign a $235 million super-max extension that would make him the highest-paid player in the NBA and keep him in a Pelicans uniform for the next six seasons.

    And after missing out on an opportunity to surround Davis and Jrue Holiday with help in 2016, New Orleans could get close to max space if Julius Randle opts out and the team doesn't bring back Nikola Mirotic.

    The Pelicans do have the luxury of using the stretch provision on the $12.8 million expiring contract of Solomon Hill. Waiving Hill would leave New Orleans with $35 million in room.

    Dallas Mavericks: Projected room: $55 million

    Consider DeAndre Jordan's one-year, $22.9 million contract a placeholder for next summer.

    With a projected $55 million in cap space and a foundation of Luka Doncic, Dennis Smith Jr. and Harrison Barnes (if he picks up his option) in place, the Mavericks are expected to take an aggressive approach when it comes to free agency.

    If they miss out? Only Doncic and Smith will be under contract in 2020, giving Dallas another chance to surround its promising backcourt with star talent.

    Indiana Pacers: Projected room: $56 million

    The one-year contracts of Tyreke Evans and Kyle O'Quinn strengthened a bench that now ranks among the league's best and allowed Indiana to keep flexibility for 2019.

    Now the Pacers need to decide what to do in rookie extension talks with Myles Turner. Hold off until next summer and Indiana could be working with $56 million in room, including Turner's free-agent hold.

    Key free-agent holds: Myles Turner ($10.2 million)
     
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  12. RasaqBoi

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    Fair deal is

    4 years / 72 mill.
     
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    Wild cards

    Atlanta Hawks:
    Projected room: $35 million

    Will Atlanta be a willing participant in free agency after taking the past two summers off?

    The likely scenario is that the Hawks continue developing their young players -- including Trae Young, Kevin Huerter, Omari Spellman, Taurean Prince and John Collins -- and take a conservative approach once again. The Hawks could once again have three first-round picks (their own, Cleveland's top-10-protected pick and Dallas's top-five-protected pick).

    With the contracts of Kent Bazemore and Miles Plumlee set to expire after the 2019-20 season, the Hawks could play the waiting game until 2020, when they'll have $60 million in room and a more established product to sell to free agents.

    Cleveland Cavaliers: Projected room: $29 million

    The Cavaliers join the group of teams with cap flexibility but at the expense of seeing LeBron James in a different uniform.

    How the Cavaliers approach free agency next year will impact veterans Kyle Korver, George Hill and JR Smith. The three players combine to earn $50 million but with only $8.2 million guaranteed. Despite now having a clean slate and the possibility of $29 million in room (which could reach $54 million if Kevin Love opts out), the front office in Cleveland would be best served waiting until 2020, when only Collin Sexton and Ante Zizic are under contract.

    Key free-agent holds: Larry Nance Jr. ($6.8 million)

    Orlando Magic: Projected room: $25 million

    The Magic put themselves in play next summer by using creative math.

    Instead of normal raises in Aaron Gordon's new $76 million contract, Orlando decreased the salary for the forward in years 2-4. The savings -- combined with trading Bismack Biyombo for Timofey Mozgov -- leave Orlando with a projected $25 million in cap space.

    Phoenix Suns: Projected room: $20 million

    Phoenix saw its cap space shrink from $37 million to $20 million when Devin Booker signed a $158 million rookie extension.

    Despite the loss in room, the Suns are still in position to add veterans around their young core of Booker, Deandre Ayton, TJ Warren, Mikal Bridges and Josh Jackson.

    Sacramento Kings: Projected room: $51 million

    Sacramento seems to be the wild card each summer when it comes to cap space. As evident by the $78 million Zach LaVine offer sheet, the question is not if Sacramento is willing to spend money but if its focus is on the right player or position.

    The Kings still have $19.5 million in room this summer. The likely scenario is that Sacramento holds off on spending that money and walks into next July with $51 million in room.

    Key free-agent holds: Willie Cauley-Stein ($14.1 million)

    San Antonio Spurs: Projected room: TBD

    Unsurprisingly, flexibility in San Antonio all depends on Kawhi Leonard.

    Moving the All-Star for a package of young players, draft assets and expiring contracts would leave the Spurs with close to $40 million in space. If both sides are able to mend fences (an unlikely scenario) and Leonard returns, San Antonio would have a projected $15 million in room.

    Key free-agent holds: Kawhi Leonard ($32.7 million)

    Utah Jazz: Projected room: TBD

    The Jazz will be in a similar position next summer that the Pacers faced this year. They have a core group of players -- Donovan Mitchell, Rudy Gobert and Joe Ingles -- under contract but with the flexibility to either retain the likes of Derrick Favors (non-guaranteed contract) and Ricky Rubio (free agent) or use cap space to find their replacements.

    If Rubio is not brought back, Utah projects to have $26 million in room, a number that increases to $42 million without Favors.

    Key free-agent holds: Ricky Rubio ($22.4 million)

    Contenders with free agents

    Boston Celtics and Golden State Warriors

    The two top teams in each conference are on the list, but not because of cap flexibility next summer.

    With Kyrie Irving, Al Horford, Kevin Durant and Klay Thompson set to be free agents, Boston and Golden State will have a say in how much money is available for the non-All-Star-level free agents.

    If all four (and Celtics restricted free agent Terry Rozier) return, players like Khris Middleton, Nikola Vucevic and Tobias Harris could be rewarded financially by teams that had planned to target any Celtics or Warriors stars.
     
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    none of those teams are taking Ryno

    How are u gonna trade Kawhi for Clint Capela and Ryan Anderson?
     
  15. RHU525

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    But the game has changed. Centers don’t impact it as much as they use to. It’s a guard and wing player league. Three point shooting is essential. Clint Capela is one of the best centers in the game and yet we can’t even play him in crunch time or against the Warriors, so what is his real value?
     
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    Capela isn't a top 5 center:
    1. Kareem
    2. Hakeem
    3. Shaq
    4. Tim Duncan
    5. The Admiral (Mermaid)

    In all seriousness 15M is very reasonable for Capela, I can go anywhere from 15-20 but 15 isnt crazy amount for a dude who always got set up and fed by Harden and Cp3. Maybe if he dominated GSW frontline in the playoffs it would be a different case.
     
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  17. Snow Villiers

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    Bring back Dmo for 1.8m/2yr
     
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  18. kevtse

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    Look at how much Dmo is earning right now.

    Capela worth less than 10million per if there is no Harden/CP3 give him those easy buckets.
     
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    I'd take 60 in a heartbeat, on another team he may average 8 points a game (nothing against him) but he is not worth 20-25 a year, maybe in 3-4 more years he will be. But no today.
     
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