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Bucks trade Michael Carter-Williams to Bulls for Tony Snell

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by J.R., Oct 16, 2016.

  1. J.R.

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    Bucks, Bulls agree to swap of Michael Carter-Williams for Tony Snell

    The Milwaukee Bucks and Chicago Bulls have agreed to swap guard Michael Carter-Williams for swingman Tony Snell, league sources told ESPN's Jeff Goodman.

    A source close to Carter-Williams told Goodman that the guard was informed he was being traded to Chicago late Saturday night.​
     
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  2. Jontro

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    Mind blown. What a steal.
     
  3. ROXTXIA

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    So that leaves the Bucks with Dellavadova and Jason Terry as nominal point guards, with Giannis as their Harden (playing point from the 2/3 while the 1 is manned with scabs)?

    Since I haven't seen MCW play much, maybe malakas can chime in on this. Seems like MCW is handed away rather easily.
     
  4. Pen15clubber

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    The Bulls aren't about that shooting life
     
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    He's Ricky Rubio without out the passing but he can actually finish at the rim. Can't shoot to save his life and is a decent defender/rebounder
     
  6. lakersuck2

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    The Chicago Bricks
     
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    I just don't understand the Bulls FO.
     
  8. OTMax

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    We should be happy with our FO, because both the Bulls and Bucks have ruined their franchises within 2 years while holding some pretty nice cards. Instead of using those to get better, they traded down and acquired players who don't really make them better. This is one deal that the Bucks win, but I don't understand what they are doing and that counts double for the Bulls. Well, at least they have Canaan and the Bucks have Beasley, both great scorers haha
     
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  9. c1utchfan925

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    MCW has shown he's able to fill up the stat sheet when he's on a bad team (Philly, who drafted him) and I agree he's definitely not known to be a shooter. I do wonder though, if he could just improve his 3pt shot to a passable 33-35% from his career 25% he'd actually be a really good pick up. But definitely understand that it's just to say it then do it.

    The Bucks are really trying hard to fill up the SG/SF with Middleton and Mayo being out. Still pretty crazy they would give up MCW for Tony Snell, who from what I've seen is primarily a defensive specialist playing the SF. They had a good development plan until Middleton got injured again.

    On a side note: OJ Mayo has definitely fallen from where he was. He could definitely excel at being the 6th man off the bench if he was motivated too.
     
  10. malakas

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    Good riddance. In a vaccuum the Bulls win the trade, in reality Bucks fans win because they wont have to watch MCW anymore.

    MCW is in reality a wing player who thinks he is a pg. He is a really bad decision maker, passer, shooter and ballhandler. He is very aggresive and very often doesn't play within himself which leads to a ton of Turnovers in a row. Some of those are really comical. Like throwing the ball off the top of the backboard (= failed pass) or the trademark one which is dribbling the ball off his foot in the last 1 minute in a close game.
    He is really athletic and while NOT a consistently good defender and team defender, he can make extraordinary defensive plays (often after he has made a really bad turnover that is costing his team the game). He is a good rebounder for a guard. He can post up midget backup pgs.

    It's often said that his problem is the shooting but that's wrong. His problem is firstly his coordination, then his bball iq and then his shooting. He should realise that he shouldn't be a pg and then turn himself into a defensive specialist wing.
     
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    Definitely true, the Bulls have made some questionable choices since before they finally traded Rose. I don't blame them though, they're trying to keep Butler happy by adding the best talent they could. If I were the Bulls though, I would have made a better PG signing, signed Wade but still kept Gasol.

    Really? You think the Bucks win this trade? Even with MCW's deficits he's worth more than Tony Snell.. haha
     
  12. malakas

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    Yeah OJ Mayo has fallen out of the league for the next 2 years.
     
  13. OTMax

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    Bulls are going for mediocrity, but more towards 10-12th seed than 7-9th. A guard rotation of Rondo, Butler, MCW & Wade is just as odd as can be. They let all the shooters go, have only Taj Gibson, Lopez & Mirotic. Yes I think the Bucks win, I really like Snell since he can shoot at least and knows his role. Can play some defense too. MCW will continue to bounce from team to team I reckon.
     
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    Trade grades: Is Michael Carter-Williams a good get for Bulls?


    The deal
    Bucks get:
    Forward Tony Snell
    Bulls get: Guard Michael Carter-Williams

    Milwaukee Bucks: C-minus
    We're 20 months removed from the Bucks passing on what's likely to be a high lottery pick (from the Los Angeles Lakers, top-three-protected this season and top-one-unprotected in 2018) to acquire Carter-Williams from the Philadelphia 76ers in a three-team deal at the 2015 trade deadline that sent out Brandon Knight.

    Since then, Carter-Williams' value has taken a staggering fall. Given reporting by ESPN's Marc Stein that the Sacramento Kings passed on swapping Carter-Williams for guard Ben McLemore, I'm inclined to believe this was probably the best they could get for him.

    The worst thing Milwaukee could have done was stubbornly hold on to Carter-Williams because of the high price paid to add him. That's a textbook case of the sunk-cost fallacy, and there's a reason it's called a fallacy.

    There's also reason to believe Snell could help the Bucks. He's shown the broad skills necessary to contribute in a 3-and-D role on the wing. A career 35.1 percent 3-point shooter, Snell has shot better than league average (36.6 percent) from beyond the arc the past two seasons.

    Additionally, in Snell's limited action last season, Chicago allowed 10.4 fewer points per 100 possessions, according to NBA.com/Stats. As a result, Snell is projected for a minus-0.9 rating in ESPN's real plus-minus this season, better than Carter-Williams' projection (minus-1.5 points per 100 possessions).

    Digging deeper reveals more flaws. After shooting accurately inside the arc his first two seasons, Snell slipped to 38.0 percent last season because he struggled to finish and shot less accurately on long 2-pointers than on 3s. Snell almost never gets to the free throw line, so his true shooting percentage has been below .500 in two of his three seasons as a pro even though he's played a relatively small role in the Bulls' offense.

    There's also the possibility that Snell's defensive RPM last season -- 1.86, good for sixth among all small forwards -- was a small-sample fluke. Chicago was no better defensively with him on the court in 2014-15 and allowed more points per possessions when he played as a rookie.

    So there's a decent chance Snell doesn't provide an upgrade on Milwaukee's remaining wings while Khris Middleton is sidelined. In that case, all the Bucks accomplish with this deal is forcing combo guards Malcolm Brogdon and Jason Terry to play more point guard than shooting guard, a stretch at this point of their respective careers.

    I can certainly see Milwaukee's logic here. With Giannis Antetokounmpo running the offense full time, Carter-Williams might have been effective only with Antetokounmpo on the bench, making it difficult to re-sign him as a restricted free agent next summer. And if Snell does put it all together during his age-25 season (he'll celebrate his birthday next month), the Bucks might have gotten better.

    Still, given how thin Milwaukee is at point guard in the event Antetokounmpo or Matthew Dellavedova is injured, I probably would have been inclined to hang on to Carter-Williams. It would be hard for his value to get much lower, and a trade like this likely still would have been available in a month or two because Snell probably would have been riding the bench in Chicago anyway.

    Chicago Bulls: B
    The Bulls are perhaps the worst possible team for Carter-Williams. A non-shooter (he's shot 25.5 percent for his career from 3-point range) who needs the ball in his hands to be effective, Carter-Williams joins a Chicago team with three perimeter starters who are best with the ball in their hands and struggle to space the floor.

    Although Carter-Williams will surely come off the bench, staggering starters and reserves means he'll likely play regularly with at least one of Jimmy Butler, Rajon Rondo and Dwyane Wade and often with two of them. And if you're looking ahead to 2016-17, when the Bulls can walk away from Rondo's contract with just $3 million guaranteed, remember that Carter-Williams will need a more lucrative new contract as a restricted free agent. He's also coming off hip surgery, having undergone shoulder surgery the previous offseason.

    And yet, despite all that, I like this trade for Chicago from an upside perspective. After three years, the Bulls knew what they had in Snell, and that hadn't stopped them from drafting wings in Round 1 two of the past three years -- Doug McDermott and Denzel Valentine, likely to be the backup duo ahead of Snell before this trade.

    Although he's a few weeks older than Snell, having recently turned 25, Carter-Williams is still more of a mystery. Point guards tend to take longer to develop, and Carter-Williams' top comparables at the same age via my SCHOENE projection system remain promising: Larry Hughes, Jrue Holiday, Jeremy Lin and Rodney Stuckey.

    At best, Chicago has found a long-term solution at point guard, a hole Rondo is unlikely to fill. At worst, the Bulls can walk away next summer with nothing lost but a season of Snell as a deep reserve. That's a gamble I'd gladly take.​
     
  15. A_3PO

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    For any team that trades away MCW, it's addition by subtraction.

    Not sure what the Bulls are doing here.
     
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    Snell is a nice player. Not sure what league people are talking about where Bulls win this trade.
     
  17. pippendagimp

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    i'd take snell over brewer 8 days a week
     
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    He aint Snail.
     
  19. RedRedemption

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    MCW's best game was his first game lmfao.
     
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  20. HR Dept

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    Honestly, since the Bulls moved him for MCW... I think they would've considered moving him for Brewer.
     

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