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Boston's Tom Thibodeau helps stymie Kobe Bryant, Lakers

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by BetterThanEver, Jun 8, 2008.

  1. BetterThanEver

    BetterThanEver Contributing Member

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    Here is a good article on Kobe and Thibs. I didn't know that Tom trained a 14 yr old Kobe, while working for John Lucas. Kobe credits Tom as one of the people that made him a great player.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...bostons_tom_thibodeau_helps_stymie_kobe_.html


    BOSTON - The Celtics' secret weapon for stopping Kobe Bryant may just be a middle-aged assistant coach whom Bryant credits for helping to make him the player he is today.

    "He's awesome," says Bryant, the league's MVP.

    Before this season, Tom Thibodeau was best known for serving as Jeff Van Gundy's top lieutenant with the Knicks and Rockets and as a guy who couldn't land a head coaching interview, much less a top job. But in Thibodeau's first year as Boston's associate head coach under Doc Rivers, his profile has increased as rapidly as the Celtics' win total.

    With Kevin Garnett carrying out the game plan, Thibodeau has been credited with turning Boston into the league's top defensive team. That's not surprising considering that during Thibodeau's 18 seasons as an NBA assistant coach, his teams have finished in the top 10 in team defense 15 times.

    Boston's ability to contest shots and take top players out of their comfort zone is a main reason why the Celtics are three wins away from a title. In the playoffs, Boston has neutralized Le-Bron James and continued to make life miserable for Bryant. In Game 1, Bryant scored 24 points but made just nine of 26 shots including a 1-for-6 performance in the fourth quarter. In Boston's two regular-season victories over the Lakers, Bryant averaged 25points but shot a combined 15-for-46.

    "I've been facing his defenses here for some time and they're tough - very, very tough," Bryant said on the eve of tonight's Game2. "Every single team he's been on has had great strategies and physical defenses."

    Bryant's relationship with Thibodeau goes back to the early 1990s, when Bryant was a teenage prodigy and Thibodeau was on John Lucas' staff with the Philadelphia 76ers. During the off-season, Bryant would train with the Sixers and he grew close to Thibodeau, who put in the extra time to work with a high school phenom.

    "He has an unfair advantage," Bryant said. "He started drilling me, NBA basketball drills, when I was 14. So he kind of has inside information on what I like to do because he taught me most of the stuff."


    A native of New Britain, Conn., Thibodeau has a reputation for being a tireless worker who pores over hours and hours of game film. Although he is regarded as a defensive specialist - a recent headline in The Boston Globe called him a "mastermind" - Thibodeau has a history of improving the offensive games of several prominent players.

    With the Knicks, Thibodeau worked with Larry Johnson, Allan Houston and Latrell Sprewell. In Houston, Thibodeau formed such a close bond with Yao Ming that the All-Star center brought him to China for workouts over the summer.

    Celtics All-Star Paul Pierce calls him the hardest working assistant coach he's ever been around while Kendrick Perkins says that Thibodeau is the "best thing" that's happened to the team. And yet, despite his credentials and wealth of coaching experience, Thibodeau has received only one interview for a head coaching job.

    "It's come down to someone willing to take a chance," Van Gundy says. "And when they do it will be a home run."

    The Celtics' long playoff run has both helped and hurt Thibodeau's chances of getting a job. Thibodeau's value has never been higher but he's also missed opportunities to interview. The team refused to give him permission to interview during the playoffs which is why Thibodeau never met with Knicks president Donnie Walsh. However, there is talk that Chicago will reach out to him assuming its job is vacant when the NBA Finals are over.

    Thibodeau may simply return to Boston, although there are rumblings that not everyone on the coaching staff is pleased that he is receiving so much credit. When asked specifically about Thibodeau's role before Game 1, Rivers praised him for being "great" and called him "our defensive leader."

    But Rivers also added, "I try to talk about all my assistants honestly, because they all play a role. That's why they call it a coaching staff. So they all play a big role. He's been great. We had to get the guys to buy into the system, and they have. Obviously, you're as good as your players, and Garnett is obviously the reason."

    Under Rivers' policy, assistant coaches are unavailable to the media - which is uncommon in the NBA. Instead, Thibodeau's work speaks for him. Just ask Bryant
     
  2. ToyCen428

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    Yeah that Tom guy seems to be a great coach. Too bad he didn't get the one of the available head coaching jobs.
     
  3. v3.0

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    I'd like to see him land in Chicago and see what he can do to that underachieving group.
     
  4. baller4life315

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    If the C's weren't still playing this guy would undoubtedly have a head coaching job by now.
     
  5. wakkoman

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    Tom has done more for the Celtics than Doc Rivers has.

    I wish we still had him.
     
  6. dntrwl

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    quoted for the truth.
     
  7. Dave_78

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    I agree with both statements.

    I think Tom is going to get a head coaching job this off season and it will be well deserved. Maybe I'm taking Doc's comments wrong but he seemed a bit jealous when speaking about Thibodeau. If he is threatened that his assistant coach is better then he is then let Tom go and let's see how the Celtics look next season. I'll bet you Doc isn't around next summer if Tom goes to another team. Doc Rivers is a better coach than I thought but I still don't believe he is better than average coach and that will show when he doesn't have Tom around to cover for him.
     
  8. OrangeRowdy95

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    He should take the Atlanta job.
     
  9. Kim

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    Tom Thibodeau was hired as a Wizards assistant coach by the GM Grunfield. Rumors were that the GM wanted Thibodeau to take over the head coaching job eventually, which obviously created a riff between him and the current coach Eddie Jordan and his staff.

    So Thibodeau didn't want to deal with this drama and resigned and moved on to Boston. D.C.'s loss.

    I watched a lot of Boston in the playoffs and noticed that TT is out there yelling and barking out orders on defense on the biggest possessions. Boston would not be in the finals without TT, and Doc Rivers knows that. Rivers is the one that is much more easily replaced.
     
  10. OrangeRowdy95

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    Double T deserves tons of credit. Look at the stats. The Celts lead the NBA in nearly every defensive statistic. KG got DPOY. There was a thread back in December titled "Tom THibodeau named NBA Coach of the Month". He stood up just as much last year on our own sidelines. Nobody appreciated his work. After he accepts Chicago/Atlanta, the NBA better watch out, because he knows Yao/TMac, KG/Pierce, and Kobe's games better than anybody else out there.
     
  11. TheFreak

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    Yeah, Garnett sucked at defense before Boston got a new assistant coach.

    Color me unimpressed by yelling on the sidelines. In absence of any real evidence that coaching (much less assistant) makes a significant difference in the NBA, people will point to such things as "tireless work ethic" and "yelling on the sidelines" to prop up a coach or denigrate another. We all witnessed this firsthand with Adelman this year. "Oh, he's always just sitting there on the bench, he couldn't possibly be doing a good job. JVG was always more in to the game."

    Make no mistake, the main reason the strategy of overly emphasizing one side of the ball is working for Boston is the personnel they have at their disposal. Try it in say, Houston, and you get first round exits.
     
  12. Kim

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    No doubt the players deserve the credit, but it's not like assistant coaches are useless crappers that shouldn't be paid or aren't necessary towards creating a game plan.

    It's evident on tv that TT is the one on the Boston staff directing the defense. I'm not overvaluing or undervaluing it. It is what it is. The players are executing and and TT is directing it, not the other assistant coaches, not Doc Rivers. Everyone else on the bench is watching.

    If TT is out of line and being and idiot, then Doc Rivers should shut him up...but that's not the case at all.
     
  13. Angkor Wat

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    Well, according to Kobe, it had nothing to do with the Celtics defense. When asked about the Celtics defense on him, He says, "I just missed a couple bunnies" and "The ball wouldn't go in the hole."
     

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