Bolt the greatest track athlete in history?

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Is the Bolt the greatest track athlete in history

  1. yes

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  2. No

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  1. rimrocker

    rimrocker Contributing Member

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    Nice try everyone, but the answer is Paavo Nurmi.

    From Wiki:

    Nurmi set 22 official world records at distances between 1500 metres and 20 kilometres, and won nine gold and three silver medals in his twelve events in the Olympic Games. At his peak, Nurmi was undefeated at distances from 800 m upwards for 121 races. Throughout his 14-year career, he remained unbeaten in cross country events and the 10,000 m.
     
  2. juicystream

    juicystream Contributing Member

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    FloJo's WRs in the 100 & 200 are closing in on 30 years, with no serious threat.

    Love it. Distance running isn't as exciting, but it is an important part of track.
     
  3. Dr of Dunk

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    Edwin Moses probably deserves some consideration. He didn't lose a 400 race for something like 10 years. He dominated the podium in that race.
     
  4. rimrocker

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    More on Paavo:

    In the army, Nurmi quickly impressed in the athletic competitions: While others marched, Nurmi ran the whole distances with a rifle on his shoulder and a backpack full of sand. Nurmi's stubbornness caused him difficulties with his non-commissioned officers, but he was favoured by the superior officers, despite his refusal to take the soldier's oath. Nurmi improvised new training methods in the army barracks; he ran behind trains, holding on to the rear bumper, to stretch his stride, and used heavy iron-clad army boots to strengthen his legs.

    Nurmi's races became a series of experiments which he analyzed meticulously. Previously known for his blistering pace on the first few laps, Nurmi started to carry a stopwatch and spread his efforts more uniformly over the distance. He aimed to perfect his technique and tactics to a point where the performances of his rivals would be rendered meaningless. Nurmi set his first world record on the 10,000 m in Stockholm in 1921. In 1922, he broke the world records for the 2000 m, the 3000 m and the 5000 m. A year later, Nurmi added the records for the 1500 m and the mile. His feat of holding the world records for the mile, the 5000 m and the 10,000 m at the same time has not been matched by any other athlete before or since.

    Nurmi tried out for the 1924 Olympics at the Eläintarha Stadium in Helsinki by running the 1500 m and the 5000 m inside an hour, setting new world records for both distances. In the 1500 m final at the Olympics in Paris, Nurmi ran the first 800 m almost three seconds faster. His only challenger, Ray Watson of the United States, gave up before the last lap and Nurmi was able to slow down and coast to victory still breaking the Olympic record by three seconds. The 5000 m final started in less than two hours, and Nurmi faced a tough challenge from countryman Ville Ritola, who had already won the 3000 m steeplechase and the 10,000 m. Ritola and Edvin Wide figured that Nurmi must be tired and tried to burn him off by running at world-record pace. Realizing that he was now racing the two men and not the clock, Nurmi tossed his stopwatch onto the grass. The Finns later passed the Swede as his pace faded and continued their duel. On the home straight, Ritola sprinted from the outside but Nurmi increased his pace to keep his rival a metre behind.

    In the cross country events, the heat of 45 °C (113 °F), caused all but 15 of the 38 competitors to abandon the race. Eight finishers were taken away on stretchers. One athlete began to run in tiny circles after reaching the stadium, until setting off into the stands and knocking himself unconscious. Early leader Wide was among those who blacked out along the course, and was incorrectly reported to have died at the hospital. Nurmi exhibited only slight signs of exhaustion after beating Ritola to the win by nearly a minute and a half. As Finland looked to have lost the team medal, the disoriented Liimatainen staggered into the stadium, but was barely moving forward. An athlete ahead of him fainted 50 metres from the finish, and Liimatainen stopped and tried to find his way off the track, thinking he had reached the finish line. After having ignored shouts and kept the spectators in suspense for a while, he turned into the right direction, realised his situation and reached the finish in 12th place and secured team gold. Those present at the stadium were shocked by what they had witnessed, and Olympic officials decided to ban cross country running from future Games.

    In the 3000 m team race on the next day, Nurmi and Ritola again finished first and second, and Elias Katz secured the gold medal for the Finnish team by finishing fifth. Nurmi had won five gold medals in five events, but he left the Games embittered as the Finnish officials had allocated races between their star runners and prevented him from defending his title in the 10,000 m, the distance that was dearest to him. After returning to Finland, Nurmi set a 10,000 m world record that would last for almost 13 years.

    In October, he broke the world records for the 15 km, the 10 miles and the one hour run in Berlin. Nurmi's one-hour record stood for 17 years, until Viljo Heino ran 129 metres further in 1945.

    In 1930, he set a new world record for the 20 km. In July 1931, Nurmi showed he still had pace for the shorter distances by beating Lauri Lehtinen, Lauri Virtanen and Volmari Iso-Hollo, and breaking the world record on the now-rare two miles. He was the first runner to complete the distance in less than nine minutes.

    On 26 June 1932 Nurmi started his first marathon at the Olympic trials. Not drinking a drop of liquid, he ran the old-style 'short marathon' of 40.2 km (25 miles) in 2:22:03.8. At the time, he led Armas Toivonen, the eventual Olympic bronze medalist, by six minutes. Nurmi's time was the new unofficial world record for the short marathon.

    He was suspended from the 1932 games over his amateur status with the Germans accusing him of accepting money for some races in 1931. The appeal was upheld by 1 vote. Because of the shenanigans, Finland broke off all athletic relations with Sweden and Paavo was denied at least one other Olympic medal.

    Nurmi retired from running with a 10,000 m victory in Viipuri on 16 September 1934. Nurmi remained undefeated in the distance throughout his 14-year top-level career. In cross country running, his win streak lasted 19 years.

    In addition to 22 world records with many breaking his own times, he also is unofficially credited with 21 more that were either not officially sanctioned or off-events like the 5 mile run.

    He was also the precursor to the ESPN Body edition:

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  5. pirc1

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    Very very impressive, never heard of him before this thread. Yes, he is right up there as one of the greatest runner.
     
  6. KingCheetah

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    Speak of the devil... just saw this:

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  7. Rocket River

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    Hard to say with so many events.
    If you think SPRINTING makes one 'the ultimate' then yes
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    If you consider other events or give them equal weight . . then maybe not

    Rocket River
     
  8. pirc1

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    You have to take into account that he is not used to this, if he practiced at this kind of condition all the time, he would do much better, and one time trial is not indication of a person's peak performance. However, that does mean Owen's record was very impressive.
     
  9. fallenphoenix

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    Track athlete? Perhaps

    Track and field athlete? No way.
     
  10. davidio840

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  11. pirc1

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    Lightning bolts strikes nine times at the Olympics. The three races Bolts ran were complete walk through for him, he was not challenged one time.

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  12. SamFisher

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    Best athlete since Lance Armstrong or Barry Bonds.
     
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  13. RasaqBoi

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    So you're saying he took roids?
     
  14. SamFisher

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    No he just happens to be way faster than everyone else who did.

    It's possible. Don't hate.
     
  15. sugrlndkid

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    Hope he is clean...because his accomplishment wont be repeated for a long damn time.
     
  16. pirc1

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    Same here, if he doped, it would make his accomplishments meaningless. Unless in the future we legalize doping(may the best man drug combination win)!
     
  17. Big MAK

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    It's possible you were a woman at birth.. dont hate.
     
  18. DreamShook

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    In his final 100 meters, Bolt loses. The last opportunity and Gatlin finally edged him out.

    I wonder if Bolt will look back and regret not retiring after the Olympics.
     
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  20. KingCheetah

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    Well Bolt is only 30 and just winced and struggled to an extremely slow 9.95 - what was he on when he ran a 9.58?
     
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