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BlackRock: The $12 Trillion "Too Big to Fail" Firm You Don't Know About

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Northside Storm, Mar 8, 2013.

  1. Northside Storm

    Northside Storm Contributing Member

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    I was looking for a good story to encapsulate just how concentrated power is in Wall Street, and specifically how BlackRock basically runs half of the world, and nobody seems to notice. Lo and behold, Vanity Fair had done a feature piece on Larry Fink himself.

    I thought the D&D would enjoy this, especially as it's nice, once in a while, to give those Ron Paul conspiracy boys paydirt on the fact that yes, bankers and government can pat each other's backs, with potentially disastrous implications for us all. Of course, re-regulation is not needed and the financial markets are all A-OK.

    Analysis and discussion welcome, of course.

    http://www.vanityfair.com/business/features/2010/04/fink-201004

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  2. Mathloom

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    Northside, you know better. AUM of $3.67 or $12 trillion doesn't make it a "$12 trillion firm".

    I am surprised these guys have gone largely unnoticed though.
     
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    In the end, those funds belong to somebody else though. And asset management isn't as volatile a business as investment banking (if anything that's why the main IB banks are trying to expand their asset management businesses to provide more stability).
     
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    Its not how much money you have
    Its about how much money you control

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    At least it's BlackRock.
     
  6. Northside Storm

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    Going by the Vanity Fair headline.

    Okay, if you want to be technical, a $42 billion market cap company that controls and influences to some degree $12 trillion of assets.

    but ain't nobody got time for that level of detail
     
  7. Northside Storm

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    Yes, but essentially, BlackRock decision makers influence a huge part of that $12 trillion. Whatever view BlackRock has of the economy holds enormous weight because they are the preeminent advisers on $12 trillion worth of assets, including some of the most sensitive post-bailout (Freddie, Fannie etc.). Given Fink's links with the highest tier of government, there is a worrying possibility that one man may have way too much influence. And the somewhat creepy thing is most Americans simply don't know that man.

    This is especially the case because BlackRock is known for risk analysis. If they get it systematically wrong, the entire system is f**ked.

    It's not so much BlackRock's health that is worrying, so much as it is the amount of influence BlackRock wields without many people batting their eyes. If Goldman had been getting government contracts in utter secrecy, you can bet some eyebrows would have been raised at the very least. Not so with BlackRock. Asset management or investment banking---you still wield an inordinate amount of control and influence over said assets.

    Thus my contention that BlackRock is a "$12 trillion" firm, even if yes yes, market cap and cash flows imply a valuation of less than $50 billion.
     
  8. Major

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    Are we certain that's true? From the original post:

    His giant BlackRock money-management firm controls or monitors more than $12 trillion worldwide

    I think the important word there is "monitors", which is very vague and could mean very little. If they control/influence $500 billion and monitor $11.5 trillion, that could be very different than controlling/influencing $11.5 trillion and monitoring $500 billion.
     
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    For example, this paragraph accounts for $6.3 trillion of that $12 trillion and looks fairly harmless:

    The firm oversees the $130 billion of toxic assets that the U.S. government took on as part of the Bear Stearns sale and the rescue of A.I.G.; it also monitors the balance sheets of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac—which together amount to some $5 trillion—and provides daily risk evaluations to the New York Fed on the $1.2 trillion worth of mortgage-backed securities it has purchased in an effort to jump-start the country’s housing market.

    It monitors $5 trillion in balance sheets? It provides daily risk evaluations on another $1.2 trillion in MBS that the Fed owns? Fannie/Freddie are also likely monitoring their balance sheets, and I suspect the Fed probably has other risk evaluations on their $1.2 trillion. Overseeing $130 billion in toxic assets is sort of meaningless too - because those assets aren't being invested or anything; they are just sitting there waiting for the government to sell them again or until they get closed out (paid off or defaulted).
     
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    Nick Cage should play him in the movie.
     
  11. Northside Storm

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    BlackRock's risk advisory systems are known as the best in the world. You can be sure every decision the Fed makes takes into account BlackRock's view of the situation. In any case, BlackRock has a view on everything in the market, and if you don't think monitoring and dissemination of influential opinions from a firm that has deep connections in government and a heft of secretive government contracts is worrisome, then I suggest you still tailor it off to the $3.67 trillion BlackRock has directly under management---which is still a pretty hefty number.
     
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    There's a joke about a shirt here I'll just file for later.
     
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    It feels odd defending a Financial firm, but Blackrocks financial managers are quite independent of each other. It's not like Blackrock has a single fund worth $12 trillion and directs all those funds into one asset, it's fairly diversified and you'll almost definitely find that across Blackrock, there will be different funds with long and short positions on the same firm. I don't doubt that Blackrock perhaps a bit too strong position as an investor (they hold board members seats because their stake is so large sometimes).
     
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    This conflict of interest is an issue as well in isolation, IIRC BlackRock had people at one time managing the unwinding of Bear Stearns (or some other risk-plagued bank) while simultaneously having other people help the Fed do a risk appraisal of those assets. Externally, they say both teams didn't contact one another, but it's easy to see how tempting that might be.
     
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    One returns profits to the public purse, while appointing economic bureaucrats hired at a fixed wage. The other keeps profits, and redistributes them to employees in the form of incentive bonuses. Two different beasts altogether.
     
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    Jesus claimed to be both god and man; I don't think the Federal Reserve is Jesus.
     
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    If you think the incentive structure and mission of BlackRock is the same as that of the Federal Reserve, then we will have to agree to disagree.
     

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