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Bizarre spike in global Carbon Dioxide levels…

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  1. KingCheetah

    KingCheetah Contributing Member

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    Scientists are baffled why the quantity of the main greenhouse gas has leapt in a two-year period and are concerned that the Earth's natural systems are no longer able to absorb as much as in the past.

    In recent decades CO2 increased on average by 1.5 parts per million (ppm) a year because of the amount of oil, coal and gas burnt, but has now jumped to more than 2 ppm in 2002 and 2003.

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    Climate fear as carbon levels soar

    An unexplained and unprecedented rise in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere two years running has raised fears that the world may be on the brink of runaway global warming.

    Scientists are baffled why the quantity of the main greenhouse gas has leapt in a two-year period and are concerned that the Earth's natural systems are no longer able to absorb as much as in the past.

    The findings will be discussed tomorrow by the government's chief scientist, Dr David King, at the annual Greenpeace business lecture.

    Measurements of CO2 in the atmosphere have been continuous for almost 50 years at Mauna Loa Observatory, 12,000ft up a mountain in Hawaii, regarded as far enough away from any carbon dioxide source to be a reliable measuring point.

    In recent decades CO2 increased on average by 1.5 parts per million (ppm) a year because of the amount of oil, coal and gas burnt, but has now jumped to more than 2 ppm in 2002 and 2003.

    Above or below average rises in CO2 levels in the atmosphere have been explained in the past by natural events.

    When the Pacific warms up during El Niño - a disruptive weather pattern caused by weakening trade winds - the amount of carbon dioxide rises dramatically because warm oceans emit CO2 rather than absorb it.

    But scientists are puzzled because over the past two years, when the increases have been 2.08 ppm and 2.54 ppm respectively, there has been no El Niño.

    Charles Keeling, the man who began the observations in 1958 as a young climate scientist, is now 74 and still working in the field.

    He said yesterday: "The rise in the annual rate to above two parts per million for two consecutive years is a real phenomenon.

    "It is possible that this is merely a reflection of natural events like previous peaks in the rate, but it is also possible that it is the beginning of a natural process unprecedented in the record."

    Analysts stress that it is too early to draw any long-term conclusions.

    But the fear held by some scientists is that the greater than normal rises in C02 emissions mean that instead of decades to bring global warming under control we may have only a few years. At worst, the figures could be the first sign of the breakdown in the Earth's natural systems for absorbing the gas.

    That would herald the so-called "runaway greenhouse effect", where the planet's soaring temperature becomes impossible to contain. As the icecaps melt, less sunlight is refected back into space from ice and snow, and bare rocks begin to absorb more heat. This is already happening.

    One of the predictions made by climate scientists in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is that as the Earth warms, the absorption of carbon dioxide by vegetation - known as "carbon sink" - is reduced.

    Dr Keeling said since there was no sign of a dramatic increase in the amount of fossil fuels being burnt in 2002 and 2003, the rise "could be a weakening of the Earth's carbon sinks, associated with the world warming, as part of a climate change feedback mechanism. It is a cause for concern'.'

    Tom Burke, visiting professor at Imperial College London, and a former special adviser to the former Tory environment minister John Gummer, warned: "We're watching the clock and the clock is beginning to tick faster, like it seems to before a bomb goes off."

    Peter Cox, head of the Carbon Cycle Group at the Met Office's Hadley Centre for Climate Change, said the increase in carbon dioxide was not uniform across the globe.

    Measurements of CO2 levels in Australia and at the south pole were slightly lower, he said, so it looked as though something unusual had occurred in the northern hemisphere.

    "My guess is that there were extra forest fires in the northern hemisphere, and particularly a very hot summer in Europe," Dr Cox said. "This led to a die-back in vegetation and an increase in release of carbon from the soil, rather than more growing plants taking carbon out of the atmosphere, which is usually the case in summer."

    Scientists are have dubbed the two-year CO2 rise the Mauna Loa anomaly. Dr Cox said one of its most interesting aspects was that the CO2 rises did not take place in El Niño years. Previously the only figures that climbed higher than 2 ppm were El Niño years - 1973, 1988, 1994 and 1998.

    The heatwave of last year that is now believed to have claimed at least 30,000 lives across the world was so out of the ordinary that many scientists believe it could only have been caused by global warming.

    But Dr Cox, like other scientists, is concerned that too much might be read into two years' figures. "Five or six years on the trot would be very difficult to explain," he said.

    Dr Piers Forster, senior research fellow of the University of Reading's Department of Meteorology, said: "If this is a rate change, of course it will be very significant. It will be of enormous concern, because it will imply that all our global warming predictions for the next hundred years or so will have to be redone."

    David J Hofmann of the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration centre, which also studies CO2, was more cautious.

    "I don't think an increase of 2 ppm for two years in a row is highly significant - there are climatic perturbations that can make this occur," he said. "But the absence of a known climatic event does make these years unusual.

    "Based on those two years alone I would say it was too soon to say that a new trend has been established, but it warrants close scrutiny."

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  2. Woofer

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    Don't worry, if Bush is reelected we can ignore this fact and pretend it doesn't exist by hiring a scientist who will present a conflicting interpretation of the data. Then the tools in the media will say CO2 spike in question.
     
  3. bigtexxx

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    Well lookie here! A link to the Guardian! Their credibility has been reduced to NIL after their US election meddling.

    You may as well post from the National Enquirer if you're looking for the same level of truth.
     
  4. orbb

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    yeah, all those scientists are making up stories :rolleyes:
     
  5. bigtexxx

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    Don't believe everything you read, son. Especially from a newspaper with such a tarnished reputation as the Guardian. They have a very biased agenda.


    Nothing to see here, folks. Move along...
     
  6. pippendagimp

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    'pot >> kettle >> black... :p
     
  7. TL

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    Interesting anamoly, but if the scientists in the article say you can't draw any conclusions, I'm going to go with them instead of the anti-Bush people here...


     
  8. Puedlfor

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    Actually, two seconds worth of google searching would have taken you to the hard data yourself, which you could've used to prove or disprove this article.

    Anyways - you can't draw conclusions based only on two years of data - but it is something to keep an eye on if these trends continue. CO2 levels have risen constantly for decades, but if they start such a precipitous increase, it would be bad in and of itself - but it may also be a mere harbinger of even more serious troubles to come.
     
  9. IROC it

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    2 years huh?



    "Look Who's [Been] Talking"

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  10. Woofer

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    Since 70 percent or so of the British people agree with the Guardian's agenda in the US election, your attitude seems positively Bushlike in it's childlike ignorance of the facts on the ground.
     
  11. francis 4 prez

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    i'm doing research at UT (well just started) dealing with carbon dioxide sequestration in reservoirs for enhanced oil recovery or in depleted reservoir or in aquifers. so never fear, i'm on the case.
     
  12. KingCheetah

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    Yeah I've actually spent time working on project at work that analyzed the CO2 emissions levels from power plants. There's not a lot of proven technologies to reduce CO2 emissions. When you start to look for economic ways to reduce them, you're really left with no options. Some utility companies have even tried planting thousands of trees in what they called a CO2 sink to try to offset the CO2 emissions.

    But what do I know? Cheetah deftly claims that the topic is way over my head, so I guess I'll just step aside...:rolleyes:
     
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    Although mankind has shot itself in the foot -- and will continue to do so -- regarding atmospheric pollution, please do not forget there are natural forces at work as well.

    The earth repeatedly has experienced dramatic increases in carbon dioxide levels -- most before the arrival of the human species -- from volcanic eruptions and emission of methane gas from remote places such as the ocean floor.

    However, there are many pollution inputs we can control. We just need to use our heads. For example, some environmental laws (which were needed but got pushed to the extreme as Americans tend to do with all things) are now compounding the problem.

    We have the technology to create highly efficient plants that will dramatically reduce pollution, but we can't build them because those aforementioned well-intentioned laws prevent it. Therefore, we struggle on with old technology which continues to pollute. As a corollary disadvantage, no new jobs are created in the manufacturing sector to replace those plants.

    Now, before the extreme environmentalists begin foaming at the mouth, let me say that I believe in preserving the environment. However, I am a moderate in that I believe we need to use our intellectual capacity to balance both sides of the equation for the good of all.
     
  15. MR. MEOWGI

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    Did you hear about the new restaurant on the moon?

    The food is great but it has no atmosphere.
     

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