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Beverley's defense is a fraud

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Harden's beard, Nov 30, 2016.

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Is Beverley's defense overrated?

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  1. Harden's beard

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    When Beverley was out of the line-up, our team defense was somewhere around 20th, not great but not atrocious either.

    Since his return,

    - Our defense tanked to 4th worst in the league

    - Beverley has the worst defensive rating among all of our players :

    117.1 according to basketball reference

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/beverpa01/on-off/2017

    113.7 according to nba.com

    http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612745/players-advanced/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=1

    - Out of three Houston line-ups that played more than 50 minutes together, the one that includes Beverley has by far the worst defensive rating at 122.4. Other two is at 106.0 and 100.2

    - When Bev is on the court, our opponents are shooting 48.7% FG and 39.8% 3PT, the worst among any Rockets player

    - When Bev is off the court, that number drops to 45.9% FG and 37.6% 3PT

    - Beverley's DRPM is -0.89, worse than Harden & Ryan Anderson

    Call me crazy but I see a pattern here and it's not a good one. I'm so sick and tired of people saying he's a good defender when he's not. He hasn't been the last two to three years, and it's time to seriously re-evaluate whether we should keep him or not.
     
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  2. FTW Rockets FTW

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    You're clearly an agenda based poster. You've trashed Ariza, Bev and others. So I will indeed call you crazy

    Beverley has more championships than most on this roster. Never forget.

    Taco Bell Pollo Loco Gold Championship[​IMG]
     
  3. Exiled

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    but but but... he has a heart of a champion, and does smear and smudges to opponents ,he is basically Westbrook minus the scoring,rebounding and assists
     
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  4. Jugdish

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    It's Beverley.
     
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  5. YOLO

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    lol he rides one person. Harden's beard should be changed to Harden's...
     
  6. Harden's beard

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    I rarely trash Ariza, I think he's a good player overall. Beverley OTH is clearly overrated, he clouds people's judgement with his defensive showmanship like when he seems like putting a lot of pressure on a player he's guarding, but more often than not it results in that player just breezing past Beverley for an easy lay-up.
     
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  7. Harden's beard

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    Our defense got A LOT worse since his return, got anything to say about that?
     
  8. FTW Rockets FTW

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    Yeah my bad. I stand corrected and take that back. I confused you for the other poster Hardentime who created this thread. Y'all have similar names and posts.

    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php?threads/trevor-ariza-sucks.278522/
     
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  9. Harden's beard

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    LOL, that's a good way of putting it
     
  10. Vivi

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    Maybe we just played better teams? (genuinely asking)

    Btw i actually think he played pretty well this season, i'd say certainly better than last two years, our defensive problems lies in other players imo.
     
  11. larsv8

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    I say, sample size.
     
  12. YOLO

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    do you really expect one player to make some tremendous difference on a team that doesn't put defense are their first priority. If you actually did then please rethink that because it's not happening. All you've pointed out is basically Beverley isn't the same defender he once was and anyone that has followed this team closely clearly knows that. what he did do was add actual depth to this roster since his return and that's something the Rockets haven't had in a very long time. Someone who does the little things to help win ball games and every team in the league needs that
     
  13. Harden's beard

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    Offensively not really, the only teams that were somewhat good offensively were Portland (8th) and Toronto (5th). Other teams like Utah, Detroit, Sacramento are bad to mediocre offensive teams.
     
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    I've been critical of Bev and I do believe his defense is overrated as well but the main thing he brings to the table is he plays with an edge this team needs. The main player on this team, Harden, lacks a consistent competitive fire and Bev is really the only player who brings that edge every single night. I think the edge Bev plays with can be inspiring. I think Harrell has that edge too but doesn't really get much playing time.
     
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  15. Harden's beard

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    This is basically a scientific experiment. We got a control group (our defensive performance as a team when Bev was out) vs a variable (including Beverley into the mix) and the result has been horrifyingly bad. Only an ignorant and irrational person would ignore this glaring effect.
     
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  16. Vivi

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    True, but we were actually destroying the Kings with great defense (and i remember Pat making some great plays), then we just give it up cause we were up 30 so, i wouldn't count that game that much, the others ok, but we were also in a kind of bad slump as a team during those games, Harden was playing really bad and so was the team obviously so i don't know...
     
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    I guess the most intelligent people use 7 games as the best sample size to reach conclusions. Man you're so smart. And in this span they are 5-2. Rockets need to hire you as their consultant for lineups plz
     
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    Sorry, doesn't pass the common sense test.

    He is a PG, the least important defensive position.

    And it is an extremely small sample size.

    Sometimes teams just get hot and make a bunch of shots.
     
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  19. JayZ750

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    There's a difference between uncontrolled and controlled tenacity. And with Bev it is far too often uncontrolled. Not in the flow of an overall scheme, etc.

    How a guard rotates is far more important than pressure d on the ballhandler. NBA scrub guards can handle pressure d anyway.

    Can't comment on Bev specific this year and the sample size is small and teams played have been more offensive focused, etc. but no he isn't a great defender.

    And of course never underestimate the impact of making your opponent work and think offensively. When the opponent isn't putting in so much effort themselves defensively they just are more comfortable. With Gordon, the opposing guards have to be way more on their a game defensively....
     
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  20. Harden's beard

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    Your reading comprehension skill is almost as bad as Beverley's defense, the topic of discussion here is our team defense since Beverley's return and nothing else. We won some games lately purely by outscoring opponents - which I don't think Bev contributed that much.
     
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