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Asbestos? Really?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rocket River, Aug 8, 2018.

  1. Rocket River

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    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/is-epa-allowing-asbestos-products/

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/russian-asbestos-trump_face/

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...h-the-presidents-face/?utm_term=.5f1f761317ab



    https://archpaper.com/2018/08/epa-asbestos-manufacturing/

    EPA is now allowing asbestos back into manufacturing
    By SYDNEY FRANKLIN • August 6, 2018

    Fast Company recently reported on the potential comeback of one of the most infamous building materials of recent memory. Asbestos is now legally allowed back into U.S. manufacturing under a serious of loopholes by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). As Fast Company reported, on June 1, the EPA authorized a “SNUR” (Significant New Use Rule) that allowed the creation of new products containing asbestos on a case-by-case basis.

    According to Fast Company, the EPA’s recently released report detailing its new framework for evaluating the risk of its top prioritized substances states that the agency will “no longer consider the effect or presence of substances in the air, ground, or water in its risk assessments.”

    This news comes after the EPA reviewed its first batch of 10 chemicals under the 2016 amendment to the 1976 Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA), which requires the agency to continually reevaluate hundreds of potentially toxic chemicals in lieu of removing them from the market or placing new restrictions on their use. The SNUR greenlights companies to use toxic chemicals like asbestos without consideration about how they will endanger people who are indirectly in contact with them.

    Asbestos was widely used in building insulation up until it was completely banned in most countries in the 1970s. The U.S. severely restricted its use without completely outlawing it. As Fast Company covered, the Asbestos Disease Awareness Organization (ADAO) revealed in April that asbestos-related deaths now total nearly 40,000 annually, with lung cancer and mesothelioma being the most common illnesses in association with the toxin.



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    How is this a good idea?
    Seems we been ok with out it .. . . .what *exactly* is the benefit of allowing it?

    Rocket River
     
  2. leroy

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    Why? Because it's anti-liberal. There's no other possible logic behind yet another completely dangerous and idiotic move like this. Environmentalists and cancer patients (remember, they don't think pre-existing conditions should be covered) don't like it so we must allow it. This is the only reason the right does anything any more...because the left doesn't like it. Not because it's for the greater good. Not because it benefits mankind. Not because it's right-ing a wrong. Just because the other side doesn't like it.
     
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    This will surely Make America Great Again.
     
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    What would trash daytime TV be without shysters hawking mesothelioma lawsuits?

    It will preserve a dying aspect of American culture. No asbestos = no mesothelioma = no ad revenue to keep Jerry Springer on the air.

    A little cancer is a small price to pay for 'murica.

    What next? The return of thalidomide?
     
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    They're trying asbestos they can to kill us.
     
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    Asbestos has many industrial uses that won't kill people. There are countless toxic chemicals used in processing and manufacturing everyday, the key is to using them in a safe manner.

    If you think that builders and manufacturers are going to use asbestos in a manner that could kill people, you're crazy. Don't be ridiculous. Companies are not going to cut corners and risk tens of billions of dollars in future lawsuits.

    The average mesothelioma trial award is estimated at $2.4 million. The average mesothelioma settlement is between $1 million and $1.4 million.
    Companies aren't going to risk those kinds of payouts, this move is to allow for using asbestos in a safe manner.
     
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    It's possible they won't use it in a harmful way, but if you think companies can be trusted to look after the public health in a meaningful way while footing the bill themselves, then that is crazy.
     
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    There are regulations in place and federal, state and municipal oversight in place to insure that companies do use them in a meaningful way. The knee jerk reaction to people thinking that companies are going to use asbestos like the did in the early 20th century is laughable.

    Even Trump's EPA changes will be short lived. People make mountains out of molehills on stuff like this.

    People also fail to realize, that even if the EPA allows asbestos to be used again, OSHA strongly regulates it.
     
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  10. Rocket River

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    I never buy this ideal.
    Companies make risk analysis every day
    and Even car companies base recalls on the profit versus cost
    If it only kills 10 people at 10 mill a pop but make 100 Mill profit .. .well . . 10 people just have to die

    If the government is giving this kind of easement
    I doubt that the payout on lawsuits will be great
    Also add that previous lawsuits are based on companies knowing and not letting the employees know
    Now
    Employees know. . . in the world of RIGHT TO WORK etc . . .then an informed employee will be responsible for his own risk
    removing it from the company . . .. I think that is why there is not alot of suits for THE BLACK LUNG in coal
    I could be wrong

    The concept that companies will do the moral ethical thing is just flawed
    unless moral and ethical aligns with economical benefits

    Rocket River
     
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    I'm pretty sure that "Flipper Babies with Lung Cancer" was on Season 3 of Springer.
     
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  12. Svpernaut

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    Asbestos is strongly regulated by OSHA. Companies can't just do a risk analysis and be like, "SCREW IT, LET'S DO IT!" I don't know if you've ever been on an OSHA work site, but they don't **** around. People get paid $25 an hour to literally watch a hole or hold a fire extinguisher.
     
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    MESOTHELIOMA CALL NOW
     
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    Have we even solved the lead problem yet?
     
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    Was there a great need in any industry to bring asbestos back? What is the point of this?
     
  16. Svpernaut

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    Asbestos has all kinds of uses that go past the insulation uses that caused most of the health issues in the past. It is tremendous for absorbing heat, and has countless possible use cases in the industrial world. Plants and refineries around the US use carcinogens safely every single day.

    The ban would be similar to people freaking out about lead paint. Yes, lead paint was bad, but lead has many beneficial uses that can be performed safely. You don't have to ban it in it's entirety.
     
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    The liberals and their 'ozone hole' destroyed the CFC industry using the same tactics they used to destoy the asbestos industry -- Trump needs to make this right.
     
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    So long as they aren't using dihydrogen monoxide everything will be fine.
     
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