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Are there bigger waste of money signings this offseason than Fail Jackson, Dreck Fisher and Melo?

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Carmelo Anthony has been resisting idea of resting that sore knee, but Knicks have been encouraging him to sit, league sources tell Yahoo.</p>— Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/552293442941091841">January 6, 2015</a></blockquote>
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#81 J.R., Jan 5, 2015

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Has Phil ever won anything without the absolute stars on his team? No. His system isn't worth ****.
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not sure if serious.

any coach that can manage Kobe and MJ's attitudes..and win that many rings..I think is a good coach.

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Text is in German (I think?), but you get the idea. A lot of confusion. A lot.
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I know the triangle pretty well and after watching, I'm convinced the roster is too stupid to run it

Basic setup = strongside entry pass to the wing and then the guard fills the corner to create the triangle. This is all Fisher did on the Lakers - pass to MWP run to the corner.

First 2 minutes of the video is basically the guards killing the offense by forgetting to fill the corner

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Thoughts after seeing them tonight?

I wonder what a Phil Jackson - Jeanie Buss date night is like nowadays.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>"Just smile, have fun out there and then we'll all go get ice cream. Whose mom brought orange peels this week?" <a href="https://t.co/RQXeht8wAv">https://t.co/RQXeht8wAv</a></p>— Alex Kennedy (@AlexKennedyNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/553484679199068160">January 9, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>"Just smile, have fun out there and then we'll all go get ice cream. Whose mom brought orange peels this week?" <a href="https://t.co/RQXeht8wAv">https://t.co/RQXeht8wAv</a></p>— Alex Kennedy (@AlexKennedyNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/553484679199068160">January 9, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Haha. I wouldn't be surprised if they traded JR Smith because he was the only one smart enough to start tuning this guy out.

He will be ousted as a head couch within three years.

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I think it's great they are blowing up the team. Change is needed. To start from scratch is a brave move by PJ in NY's basketball culture.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Phil said when Carmelo shuts it down will be up to Carmelo. He said the All-Star Game is important to Melo.</p>— Al Iannazzone (@Al_Iannazzone) <a href="https://twitter.com/Al_Iannazzone/status/553970673195184128">January 10, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Phil said when Carmelo shuts it down will be up to Carmelo. He said the All-Star Game is important to Melo.</p>— Al Iannazzone (@Al_Iannazzone) <a href="https://twitter.com/Al_Iannazzone/status/553970673195184128">January 10, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Jackson: Now it's up to me to build the Knicks the right way

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Phil said when Carmelo shuts it down will be up to Carmelo. He said the All-Star Game is important to Melo.</p>— Al Iannazzone (@Al_Iannazzone) <a href="https://twitter.com/Al_Iannazzone/status/553970673195184128">January 10, 2015</a></blockquote>
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WTF? Melo has to be the all-star game for his brand.

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No team will win a ring if melo is on it. I never wanted him to come to houston. He might ball out on the blacktop but I think he is a cancer for team play

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Jackson: Now it's up to me to build the Knicks the right way
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Well duh. PJ, it was up to you the minute you signed. Not just now.

And he's worried the Knicks sorriness this season will affect how attractive they are as a free agent destination this summer.

Players who care only about the money will be glad to accept whatever the Knicks pay them. Guys that want to win need not apply.

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Phil Jackson Talks About N.B.A. Draft, Carmelo Anthony and More

Q. No offense to Steve, but why weren’t you the team’s public face on the dais at the draft lottery?

JACKSON: I see Steve as the future of this franchise. I mean, I’m here for a time, and I’m trying to help turn it around the best way I can. But I can see Steve having a lasting tenure here, and this is one of the things that’s good about our relationship, that we can grow from our teamwork. I couldn’t believe that there was some kind of hue and cry over whether I should have been there to watch what in effect had taken place in a back room, where they had some balls rolling around in a hamster cage.

MILLS: So I volunteered to do it. And Phil said, “Well, you know, we can have Derek do it.” And I said: “No, Derek’s suffered enough. I’ll go.”
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Q. Do you anticipate players being resistant to the idea of running the triangle?

JACKSON: Players who are resistant to it shouldn’t be here. Guys who want to play basketball and feel comfortable with their skills should understand that there is ample opportunity to play a game that’s an evolved game. It’s a thinking man’s game. It’s a logical game.

MILLS: If Phil says we need to get a big guy, well, we just sat in a film session with four big guys who watched the way a big guy operates in the triangle, and I think it’s a lot more attractive than a lot of the basketball that they’ll see other teams play.

JACKSON: We’re trying to find players who are the best fit for us. We’re really chasing as much information as we can. We’re not interested in guys who are just interested in the money and in their branding. They have to have a little more to their life than just those selfish desires. There’s nothing wrong with chasing money, and there’s nothing wrong with making the most from your name. But that seems to be the running theme that you see a lot these days.
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Q. Speaking of branding, why did Anthony play in the All-Star Game when it was clear that he needed knee surgery?

JACKSON: I don’t see any value at all in an All-Star Game. None. I think it was a pretty exciting game this year because of its speed. But as a coach, what’s the point? But when guys have, as part of their contract, shoe things when they make the All-Star team, we try to accommodate what will help them move forward with their lives and their careers. So when we sat down with Carmelo in London and we had dinner with him, we actually pointed to that date as a possible time for him to shut it down. If he was going to have the full ability to have an operation, go through rehab and training, and get ready for next season, that was an appropriate time because it gave him March, April, May, June, July, etc., and he was going to need at least six months. So we actually did plan that date.

Q. The date that he shut it down?

JACKSON: We didn’t plan the exact date, but we said, “You want to play in the All-Star Game, don’t you?” And he said, “Yeah, I want to play.” I said: “Well, that’s a date we could work with. so let’s go from there.”

MILLS: To put it all in context, Carmelo was playing with an injury that wasn’t going to get worse. There was no risk to him playing, but it takes a certain amount of time to get it done. So we needed to pick a time when he could get it done. And I can’t speak for Carmelo, but I think he felt like he had an obligation as the face of the New York Knicks with the All-Star Game at Madison Square Garden: “I should be here and play in the All-Star Game.” It wasn’t a risk.

JACKSON: The idea of whether it was the right thing to do, I can see where people could look at it and be skeptical. How do you think he played that night? I think he got between the free throw line and the other free throw line. I don’t think he could run very well.
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Q. Have you spoken to Isiah Thomas since he was hired to run the Liberty?

JACKSON: Yeah, Isiah came in my office. I was on the phone, but I was able to shake his hand. And there have been a number of times when we’ve just bumped into each other here in the cafeteria. We talked about the playoffs, about his team. He seems to be happy doing his job, and that’s about it.

Q. Were you consulted before Thomas was brought in?

JACKSON: Jim Dolan had talked to us about it over dinner, maybe a month before it happened. We said, “Are you cognizant of the fact that this at least has the look of putting the fox in the henhouse?” Is that a good term? In reviewing the history of it, we were told what the approach was by the Garden and how it went down. Jim said, “If you have any suggestions that you want to come back with, I’m open.” And not being in that field, I didn’t have any information. It’s not where my head is at. So we’re not giving them any advice, and it’s going both ways.
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Q. Do you have any thoughts on the playoffs?

JACKSON: I’ve gotten comments from people who thought it was a really great series because it was so close. And I had more comments from coaches about what bad basketball we saw in the playoffs — one-on-one ball, street ball. So it was just complete opposites. Personally, I think Cleveland had to do what they did to manufacture the games to be as close as they got them. It was a great demonstration of perseverance by LeBron James, trying to keep the games close and trying to do the best he could.

For Golden State, it was pretty exciting for that town and for that team. There’s an awful lot of pressure for a team to come into the finals without any finals experience. In the first couple of games, they looked like they didn’t quite know how to compete at that level, with the necessary intensity and physicality. The games just got more physical, and they adjusted.
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Q. In the middle of the playoffs, you took to Twitter to ask N.B.A. analysts to give you “some diagnostics” on how 3-point-oriented teams were faring. It struck most as a criticism of teams like the Warriors who take a lot of 3-point shots. You asked, “How’s it goink?” What was that about?

JACKSON: They have all these analysts. I just wanted to see someone come back to me with statistics: Is 3-point shooting in the playoffs as consistent as it is in the regular season? Does your 3-point-shooting percentage change because you’re in the playoffs? No one figured that one out. And that’s probably me being obtuse to leave it open at the end. But “goink” is one of those New York expressions that we use, and I will tell you this: I learned something. Someone sent me the fact that if you look it up on Urban Dictionary, you’ll find out what it means in today’s society.

Q. Should I look?

JACKSON: Well, it’s rather bizarre to say the least.

Q. So it wasn’t just a typo?

JACKSON: “Goink” is a castoff expression, right? Instead of, “How’s it going?,” it’s, “How’s it goink?” It turned out to be either a combination of a mixed ethnic group: part Korean, part Chinese. Or it’s a vernacular term for how do you deal with a sexual partner.

Q. That was not your intention though?

JACKSON: No, I had no idea.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Phil Jackson on the return of Isiah Thomas and when he found out what "Goink" meant on Urban Dictionary.
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Q. How’s your health and your ability to travel?

JACKSON: Well, I’m gimping around and I’m doing O.K. But we may have to travel to deal with the free agent market and be on the move. It may require making appeals and presentations. So we’re prepared to do that — both Steve and I, as well as Derek. We’re prepared to do all we can do to appeal to our choices.

Q. These are long days. What do you guys do when you’re not working?

MILLS: I don’t know what we’re going to do now. We were watching the finals and hockey.

JACKSON: He walks his dogs.

MILLS: I walk my dogs.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Regarding the draft, Phil Jackson tells the NY Times yesterday: "We have an open field and we’re really exploring all our possibilities."</p>— Ian Begley (@IanBegley) <a href="https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/611924574788317185">June 19, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On why he chose to send Steve Mills to Draft dais instead of himself, Phil tells the Times: "I see Steve as the future of this franchise."</p>— Ian Begley (@IanBegley) <a href="https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/611925467642335232">June 19, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Knicks?src=hash">#Knicks</a> GM Steve Mills tells the NY Times he's fielded several calls from teams looking for the 4th pick & NY is doing its due diligence.</p>— Ian Begley (@IanBegley) <a href="https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/611926573244121093">June 19, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Phil Jackson said he was surprised that he didn't get any votes for Exec of the Year, per the Times. Cites LAL's Kupchak getting a vote. Wow</p>— Ian Begley (@IanBegley) <a href="https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/611929410241986564">June 19, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Phil says Isiah came into his office & shook his hand, per the Times. He adds: "We’re not giving them any advice & it’s going both ways."</p>— Ian Begley (@IanBegley) <a href="https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/611930708882251776">June 19, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Phil said Mills does most of the communicating w/other teams. Mills also talks to most agents. What's left for Phil to do on a daily basis?</p>— Ian Begley (@IanBegley) <a href="https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/611960199914647552">June 19, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Phil Jackson Talks About N.B.A. Draft, Carmelo Anthony and More

JACKSON: We’re trying to find players who are the best fit for us. We’re really chasing as much information as we can. We’re not interested in guys who are just interested in the money and in their branding. They have to have a little more to their life than just those selfish desires.
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This is such crap. Money and Branding are the only thing Melo is interested in and he proved that when he turned down the Bulls & Rockets last off-season to stay with the not-going-anywhere-anytime-soon bricks.

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Considering the state of the Knicks franchise that Dolan and Isaih left it in its going to probably take at least 2 seasons before the moves that Jackson makes or wants to make start correcting the ship. The Knicks kept mortgaging their future for a mediocre win now team and paying for it now. Much like how the Lakers did (except their win now should have competed for a championship)
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It's a broken record when it comes to your quote.

It seemed like Donnie Walsh was righting that ship until two years later when he loaded up on bloated whales and deadbeats.

If I were to give Walsh benefit as being competent, it would seem like Dolan's patience is only two years and he's a little kid who desperately wants a big bang move as payoff for the cap shedding and rebuilding pain.

Being in Dolan's ear is more important that getting results....

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Man if there was ever a time for the NBA to expel an owner, it would be Dolan. I actually feel bad for the Knicks. A historic franchise that should be a staple of the NBA yet they are a laughing stock.

It's also the venus fly trap of the NBA. Star players go there thinking they will get riches and fame only to be broken down husks of what they used to be. I can't remember the last time a big signing has gone well for them.

This idea of forcing the triangle on the organization is odd to me as well. It's not really done in basketball? If it were football it would make sense. Drafting a player for a system. I mean if you were running some kind of spread offense then you'd be more interested in WRs and receiving backs...but the idea that they are going to draft a player to fit a system is I think a first for me.

Usually you have a top 5 pick you take the best player and be done with it. If the best player is a Steve Nash clone you say alright cool and let him run his fast paced offense and play to his strengths and build the team around that.

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