Are Scottie Pippen and Reggie Miller overlooked or overrated?

I thought Reggie was OVERRATED. He gets a talk show for what? MITCH RICHMOND was pretty much JUST AS good, arguably BETTER, but yall don't even know who he is.

Reggie. UNDERrated? Naaaah.

That Pacers team that took Chicago to 7. That TEAM was UNDERrated.

Not REGGIE though.

 

T-Mac is top 5 in terms of talent and physical gifts. Unfortunately, injuries, lack of passion and work ethic held him back..

 

My opinion

Pippen underrated
Reggie overrated

 

Mitch Richmond scored a lot of points, but so did World B Free and Reggie Theus. Team success matters, and Richmond’s teams were ass.

 

Both are top 50 players and that is quite good.

 

I have a lot of respect for Miller. The effect he had on opposing defenses was similar to the effect Curry has on defenses. His movement without the ball was similar to Curry's, as well. Although he wasn't a great ball-handler and passer, he was decisive when making a dribble move, had a quick first step, could score efficiently from anywhere on the court, and was a great decision-maker. He was a great clutch performer and raised his overall game in the playoffs to a level that very few could match. Outside of modern SGs like Jordan, Harden, Kobe, and Wade, no one would beat Miller in a seven-game series with similarly talented teams.

 

No.

 

1) I have not watched Pistol Pete or Iceman so I cant say one way or another.

However out of the others, I am 100% sure Harden, Kobe, and Drexler would have taken that Pacers team further. No doubt about it. Westbrook is a not sure.

Harden, Drexler, and Kobe were better scorers, could score in a number of ways, could create for their teammates, could rebound, and play better defense (yes even Harden plays better defense than Reggie Miller ever could).

2) Yes. Miller was a jumpshooter and not much else. Bad at facilitating. Bad rebounder. Bad defender.

 

Reggie Miller is overrated. He was one of the few players that was allowed to play the way he did in the 90's. As you can see now, if you let players have the green light to shoot the Miller did, they are much more productive.

Pippen is underrated even though I hate him. Pippen was probably one of the best defender of all time and was a very good ball handler and spot up shooter. He can lead an offense but he's probably the best second fiddle to ever play the game.

 

A few iconic performances that stick out is precisely why he is overrated. This is exactly what people bring up when discussing Miller, without analyzing his overall game and his career.

Did you know that right after those games where he had those iconic playoff performances, he blew the series with some really underwhelming game and 4th quarter performances?

People tend to forget what Rik Smits, Antonio and Dale Davis, and Derrick McKey meant to that team. When those players were out, Pacers struggled and mainly due to Miller being one dimensional. Miller's offense ran through Mark Jackson and Smits, not the other way around.

And let's not forget Larry Brown and how he made the Pacers relevant by copying the Knicks style. Slow down physical beat down games with your offense scoring just enough to squeeze out a win, in a conference which again was watered down and not as good as the West.

Reggie Miller is one of the best shooters of all time, and you can also laud him for longevity, but in every other category he was pretty much trash. His assist numbers are garbage. His blocks for his height are embarrassing (he has like 200 in his entire 18 NBA seasons lol). His steal numbers are not good either. And he wasnt a good rebounder either for his height.

If I need a shooter exclusively, Reggie Miller would be one of the players on my list to pick from.

Otherwise, he is not going to be on it since there are many other players that are more versatile and can do so much more to help you win.

 

People hate Pippen on CFans and rightfully so. I do too but if you take emotion out of it he really was a spectacular player. I think he’s underrated especially around these parts.

 

Who?

 

Sorry to say but it doesn't matter how "underrated" Pippen and Miller were/are. We got so many wings now who will all be ranked higher than them:

1. Lebron
2. Kobe
3. KD
4. Kawhi
5. Giannis
6. Harden
7. Paul Pierce
8. Dwade
9. Klay Thompson
10. Joe Johnson

etc etc
I mean 80s/90s were so long ago these 2nd tier stars will inevitably get buried under better players.

 

Lol very few are "better versions" of Klay Thompson c'mon man. Klay is one of the best open shooters in NBA history you can't really have a lot of guys better than him at shooting when open.

 

And Pippen was arguably the best wing defender of all time.

 

Yes, Klay is a better shooer. But Pippen is better at almost everything else.

The similarity I draw is that they are both very good 2-way players who can only be second banana because they lack the ability to create on offense. And Pippen is a better version of that.

 

But Klay Thompson was never known as the best wing defender of all time, he is known for being one of the best open shooters of all time.

How can Pippen be an "upgraded" version of KT when he can't do better what KT does best? Dennis Rodman is also a better defender than Klay Thompson doesn't mean he is an upgraded version of Klay Thompson.

KT is a specialist, Pippen is more well rounded. However if a team already had a superstar like Harden or Lebron or Durant KT would get picked higher than Pippen because his ability to shoot open shots while also being a plus defender is extremely valuable. He is one of the best 2nd bananas in NBA history because his skillset is tailored for a 2nd banana and he is a total team player, ok with off the ball movements for almost all his possessions and doesn't possess any diva tendencies like Pippen used to have.

 

Pippen doesn't lack the ability to create on offense he averaged 5.2 assists for his entire career. He's like the real PG of the Bulls since MJ is a scorer and their pgs like Paxson and Kerr are 3nDs so how can he lack the ability to create on offense? In an alternate universe where MJ wasn't born Pippen would be probably the Bulls GOAT/Iconic Franchise Star so he's not a 2nd banana at all. Pippen himself had an over exaggerated importance of his own value to a team as he once said teams would rather have a Pippen than a Jordan lol. That alone shows he is a different type of player from KT because KT knows he is a 2nd banana and acts like it.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60792

Pippen is like a middleman's Lebron or a slightly richer Iguadala, neither of whom play the style of Klay Thompson.

 

You aren’t kidding. Reggie Miller would be a scoring machine in the NBA right now.