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Another day another mass shooting

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AleksandarN, Nov 8, 2018.

  1. mick fry

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    No reason to rejoice but it’s nice to know you are such a good guy you are willing to forego your possessions, your life and family’s because somebody else's foolish decisions.
     
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    white house legislature director apparently doesn't speak for or representative the white house...


     
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    Such leadership on display, my fellow taxpayers.

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    The citizens send them to D.C. to do damn near nothing but waste time and money. Been doing it for decades.
     
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    Sounds like Mr Ueland might as well go home and play games on his phone.
     
  7. RayRay10

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    Trump doing what he always does when he isn’t sure how people will take a policy proposal of his...have one of his underlings put it out into public purview. Let’s him see what the reaction to it is while being able to claim “FAKE NEWS” if it doesn’t get the feedback he wants.
     
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    I’ll just put this here...

     
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    That tears me up... ^
     
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    I was just about to post that! Aside from any political themes, the camera work, cinematography, direction, and acting were amazing. The production value on that thing is out of this world. I believe the DP is Autumn Durald. She should be about to blow up career-wise. That was really an amazing PSA/short film.
     
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  12. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    Because you retain some of your humanity. Hat tip.

    And kudos to Sandy Hook Promise.

    And lemons to the morally putrid NRA for claiming all their members oppose background checks. Demonstrably false, even in my own immediate family.
     
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    WOW that was creepy but good.
     
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    “There are about 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, this number is not disputed.

    U.S. population 328 million as of January 2018.

    Do the math: 0.00915% of the population dies from gun related actions each year.

    Statistically speaking, this is insignificant. It's not even a rounding error.

    What is not insignificant, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths:

    • 22,938 (76%) are by suicide which can't be prevented by gun laws
    • 987 (3%) are by law enforcement, thus not relevant to Gun Control discussion.

    • 489 (2%) are accidental

    So no, "gun violence" isn't 30,000 annually, but rather 5,577... 0.0017% of the population.

    Still too many? Let's look at location:

    298 (5%) - St Louis, MO

    327 (6%) - Detroit, MI

    328 (6%) - Baltimore, MD

    764 (14%) - Chicago, IL

    That's over 30% of all gun crime. In just 4 cities.

    This leaves 3,856 for for everywhere else in America... about 77 deaths per state. Obviously some States have higher rates than others

    Yes, 5,577 is absolutely horrific, but let's think for a minute...

    But what about other deaths each year?

    70,000+ die from a drug overdose

    49,000 people die per year from the flu

    37,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities

    Now it gets interesting:

    250,000+ people die each year from preventable medical errors.

    You are safer in Chicago than when you are in a hospital!

    610,000 people die per year from heart disease (11)

    Even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save about twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.).

    A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides.

    Simple, easily preventable, 10% reductions!

    We don't have a gun problem... We have a political agenda and media sensationalism problem.”

    Nice.
     
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    Good point. Let's do absolutely nothing.

    Also, are folks on the right now stop bringing up Chicago?
     
  17. Commodore

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    Do nothing because the deterrent/defense benefit outweighs the bad.

    Math doesn't lie.
     
  18. FranchiseBlade

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    Math doesn't lie. The Math says that out of first world nations, only the US has this significant of a problem. The math doesn't lie. The problem is getting worse.
     
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    Defense? Math? I pretty sure there are stats that said your family is less safe with a gun in the house than without one. You do know that part of the problem is a lack of data because laws have been passed to disallow fed agency to conduct studies.
     
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    What the NRA should have said was ... The Gun Manufacturers on the NRA Board of Directors are against all gun legislation.

    That just does not have the same ring to it.
     
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