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An amazing essay from a "shadow scholar"

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by rhadamanthus, Nov 16, 2010.

  1. rhadamanthus

    rhadamanthus Contributing Member

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    Incredible look into the world of professional cheating.

     
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    rhadamanthus Contributing Member

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  3. SuperHighFly

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    Where can I sign up?
     
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    wow, that was an interesting read. Thanks for posting.
     
  5. Gutter Snipe

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    Amazing but perhaps inevitable given the vast numbers of people in secondary and post-secondary education.

    The number of smart people as a percentage of the population doesn't change. However, the number of people who think they are smart and who have paid for a degree has doubled or tripled. They graduate, can't get a job, and then decide, heck, I'll go to grad school. When you've gone for double/triple or nothing, you're going to be pretty desperate.

    Similar factors lead me to discount almost all certifications I see on technical resumes we look at. The only thing a cert suggests to me is that you spent the money and time to get it. I don't know if you went to a brain dump site or what - but I do know that it's about as big of an plus on your resume as a spelling mistake is a minus.
     
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    disgusting. :mad: makes me think of baseball and performance enhancing drugs.

    i was amazed in college how some people were so blatantly unethical and desperate.
     
  7. Tb-Cain

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    i usually interpret certifications as time spent unemployed. i've never gotten any. applicable experience is always the biggest plus on any resume i see.
     
  8. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    Yeah, it is happening in the sciences quite a bit too. A student led me through an on-line service where the student subscribes and can get *any* homework problem assigned from a published science textbook solved for him. So, basically, any homework score is for crap... or that's how I've started thinking of it. Even if I write all my own homework problems, there are services that will solve them for the students for a (relatively low) price.

    Old-fashioned in-class tests are about the only way I know to figure out who knows what now.
     
  9. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    The internet has changed everything.

    DD
     
  10. rhadamanthus

    rhadamanthus Contributing Member

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    Yes, but this is not practical in any class more dependent on writing, unfortunately.

    In your case, if I was a science professor I would even scrap all but one or two tests and base the entire course on random pop quizzes.
     
  11. Xerobull

    Xerobull You son of a b!tch! I'm in!

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    My wife could do this. I've seen her work her way through her bachelors and two masters by waiting till the last minute to knock out 30 page papers on a regular basis, and acing everything. Unfortunately, she's too honest to help anyone cheat. :cool:
     
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    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    It shows how irrelevant essays writing is to the real world. Ninety percent of people will never have to write anything longer than a page at a time during their professional career.
     
  13. rhadamanthus

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    Three things:

    1) No it doesn't. The "real world" effect of this plagiarism is not taken into account in the essay at all.
    2) I'd argue that if you have never written anything longer than a page in your professional career, your career is not very professional.
    3) Even a one sentence email can distinguish you. In my experience there is almost no better way to demonstrate ability and gain promotions than the ability to communicate clearly and effectively. Essays are one of many ways to practice this skill.
     
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    Great read, really eye-opening.

    I've failed my share of classes, but I did that on my own. I've aced my share of essays and all that, but once again, they were my own. Where's the sense of pride in your own work? And his theory that colleges emphasizing evaluation over education is spot on, I've thought that many times as well.
     
  15. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    This is true...Essays in the real working world are rare.....

    However game design docs can be well over 200 pages......



    DD
     
  16. fadeaway

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    Wow... and to think I used to feel bad about scribbling one or two formulas on my calculator for old economics exams.

    Crazy to think there is an entire industry built around academic cheating. Just boggles the mind. :eek:
     
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    As long as there are cheaters and irresponsible people, there will be jobs for those that can "help them" stay cheaters and irresponsible. :eek: Good insight.
     
  19. DonkeyMagic

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    tl;dr

    can someone just tell me the basics for me?

    ;)
     
  20. DreamShook

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    I don't believe you're that naive.

    That was a very interesting read but not very surprising.

    LOL @ seminary students paying for his services.
     

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