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[Amick] Sixers "looking likely" to participate in sign-and-trade

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by justtxyank, Jun 27, 2019.

  1. RocketsFanBrian

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    Morey liked "let's get butler" comments on ig
     
  2. tc0330

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    butler to houston confirmed
     
  3. Sledge187

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    LOL! Did you guys not read that article that said Lebron has called every major free agent every season to lure them his team. He has spoken to everyone. A phone call from being reported from "sauces" about the Lakers means nothing.
     
  4. tc0330

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    it was a joke bro...
     
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    I can't see Leonard, James or Davis being the 3rd star on that team. All alpha dogs.
     
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    exactly... i think theyd be better off with more shooters at PG and SG. they needa chill with the bigs or itll be too cluttered like philly imo. they need to take the pressure off the inside with perimeter shooters.
     
  7. Fyreball

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    Eh, I don't know, I could see LeBron selling AD on being their version of Bosh in Miami. AD seems more subdued than LeBron.
     
  8. Pistol Pete

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    LeBron needs to begin the process of passing the torch for that situation to work. Question becomes who does it pass it to, Leonard or Davis.
     
  9. Sledge187

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    I've embarrassed myself and brought even greater embarrassment to my family. I'm preparing for a GOT style "shame walk".
     
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    daywalker02 Easter Egg Hunter - Tell me why? نحن عائلة
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    Thanks.....

    Player calling players isn't really something surprising.

    Bet Lebron called Durant multiple times.
     
  11. Downtown Sniper

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    I'd say it's not really a question.

    The guy who has 2 championships and 2x Final MVPs VS the guy who can barely get his team to the playoffs.
     
  12. J.R.

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    http://insider.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/27070648/four-big-nba-trades-want-see-summer

    Four big NBA trades we want to see this summer

    Which NBA stars and key contributors could shake up player movement this summer via trade, and what would those deals look like?

    The 2018 offseason saw one of the most consequential trades in league history when the San Antonio Spurs agreed to trade Kawhi Leonard and Danny Green to the Toronto Raptors for DeMar DeRozan, Jakob Poeltl and a 2019 first-round pick. The Raptors went on to win the 2019 NBA championship.

    Is there a move out there that could strengthen a contender with a key player?

    Our NBA experts give four trades that could work, encompassing nine teams and multiple draft picks.

    Sign-and-trade blockbuster

    Houston Rockets get: Jimmy Butler (sign-and-trade, four-year $141 million contract)

    Philadelphia 76ers get: Eric Gordon, 2020 Houston first-round pick (protected Nos. 1-5) and 2020 Sacramento first-round pick (protected Nos. 1-14)

    * First-round pick(s) have same protection for 2021, 2022 and 2023. If not conveyed by 2023, the first will turn into two second-round picks in 2024 and 2025 (for each team).

    Sacramento Kings get: Clint Capela

    Bobby Marks: If Butler decides he doesn't want to sign in Philadelphia, then general manager Elton Brand will be faced with two choices -- let Butler walk for nothing (essentially calling his bluff that a team other than Philadelphia would sign him to a max) and have $26 million in cap space (factoring in Tobias Harris and JJ Redick) to use in free agency, or look to acquire an established player like Gordon and future draft assets. If it's the latter, a sign-and-trade route would bring a maze of salary-cap complexities that Houston and Philadelphia would need to navigate.

    For starters, because Philadelphia would be over the cap, Butler would be subject to the rules of base year compensation (BYC). For outgoing salary, Butler would count as $20.4 million -- the same amount as his 2018-19 salary. And as a result of BYC, Philadelphia would only be able to take back $25.5 million in salary. Capela and Gordon combine to make $29 million.

    Because of the shortfall, a third team would need to be recruited. Enter Sacramento. Despite sending out a lottery-protected first, Sacramento would now have its center of the future under contract on a team-friendly deal.

    Houston would now have a big three of Butler, James Harden and Chris Paul but would be restricted on how it builds out the roster. Because Butler would be acquired in a sign and trade, the Rockets would be hard capped and could not exceed the $138 million apron. Keeping P.J. Tucker, Nene opting in and filling out the roster with minimum contracts would have Houston $2.2 million below the apron.

    Philadelphia would have Gordon under contract for one season, two first-round picks and still have $13 million to use in free agency -- salary space that factors in the cap holds of Redick and Harris. That cap space would increase to $27 million if the 76ers deemed Redick expendable.



    Golden State contingency plan

    Memphis Grizzlies get: Shaun Livingston and a 2021 first-round pick

    Golden State Warriors get: Jae Crowder

    Kevin Pelton: After being traded to the Grizzlies in the as-yet-uncompleted trade for Mike Conley, Crowder is an obvious target for the Warriors to replace Kevin Durant. He could start at small forward to limit the wear and tear on Andre Iguodala while shifting to power forward in lineups with Draymond Green at center.
    Since Crowder has one year left on his deal, Golden State could either re-sign him using Bird rights next summer or let him walk if Durant re-signs long term. Trading for Crowder would also allow the Warriors to use their taxpayer midlevel exception to target a shooting guard to replace Klay Thompson.

    Golden State could offer Livingston with the guaranteed portion of his 2019-20 salary increased to a little more than $4.4 million to make the deal work, which would still save Memphis more than $3 million this season in addition to returning a first-round pick. (Livingston would have to agree to push his guarantee date past July 6 to make this deal possible, though he'd probably be amenable given he'd be doubling his guaranteed salary and might want to retire anyway.)


    Kevin comes home

    Portland Trail Blazers get: Kevin Love

    Dallas Mavericks get: Maurice Harkless

    Cleveland Cavaliers get: Meyers Leonard, Skal Labissiere, Portland's 2020 first-round pick (protected Nos. 1-14 through 2021, converts to second-round picks in 2022 and 2024), the better of Golden State and Houston's 2020 second-round picks (via Dallas)

    Tim Bontemps: Now that Cleveland has shifted into a completely new era, the question becomes what team makes sense to absorb Love and his contract ($120 million over the next four seasons). By trading for Love, Portland could roll out a starting five of Damian Lillard, CJ McCollum, Kent Bazemore, Love and either Zach Collins or potentially Enes Kanter as it waits for Jusuf Nurkic to recover from injury. That could arguably make Portland the best offense in the NBA next season, though defense might be challenging. Still, there's not much downside here for a team that has been trying to find a way to take a leap in the West.

    Meanwhile, Dallas can use some of its $29 million in cap space on Harkless, a 26-year-old small forward who can guard at either forward spot next to Luka Doncic and Kristaps Porzingis. He isn't the shooter Dallas might want, but Harkless would fit nicely into the remaining space the Mavericks would have if they can land Patrick Beverley, as Tim MacMahon reported on Thursday. And along with Courtney Lee, Harkless would provide over $20 million in expiring contracts to potentially acquire another player midseason -- something Dallas has repeatedly shown a willingness to do in the past.

    For Cleveland, the thinking is simple: get off of Love's money, acquire a likely first-rounder (plus a second) and get a free look at Labissiere. By structuring the trade this way, Cleveland would also be well clear of the luxury tax -- allowing the Cavaliers to try to use JR Smith's partially guaranteed contract to take back another asset from a team attempting to shed salary next month.


    Bicoastal reloading

    LA Clippers get: Josh Richardson, James Johnson

    Miami Heat get: Danilo Gallinari, Jerome Robinson, Miami 2021 first-round pick

    Andrew Han: The Heat are stuck. In the five seasons since LeBron James departed, Miami has gone 209-201, with only one postseason series win. Pat Riley should be ready to dismantle the plethora of midsized contracts signed in the past two seasons that have ostensibly handcuffed the franchise to the .500 line.
    In Gallinari, Miami relieves their future salary burden while still getting a reliable player (when healthy). The Heat also regain their future in a 2021 unprotected pick dealt when acquiring Goran Dragic in 2015.

    For the Clippers, continuing to collect cost-controllable role players is the name of the game. In the instance where the bulk of LA's cap space is used to sign a top-tier free agent, the Clippers add yet another young and proven 3-and-D wing (Richardson) and a versatile veteran (Johnson) to the deepest roster in the league. Though the price of Miami's future first-round pick might appear steep on first blush, evidence suggests it would rise no higher than mid-to-late in the first round for a proud Heat franchise that has no interest in bottoming out.
     
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  13. JoeBarelyCares

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    Great read, thanks for posting. Being only $2.2 million below the apron, it looks like Nene or Hartenstein would be our starting center. No way DeAndre signs for that amount.
     
  14. RHU525

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    We would have to be looking to trade NeNe in the deal as well. Then we can offer around 5 to 6 million maybe more.
     
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    QUESTION: I keep reading on these boards that Rockets "will know if they can sign and trade for Butler by Saturday June 29th because this is Butler's deadline to opt-in with the Sixers". I don't see why Butler is required to opt-in for a sign and trade to the Rockets, nor do I think Butler and his agent have any intention of doing so, especially with Lakers, Clippers, Sixers all showing interest in Butler as well. It would be beneficial to the Rockets if he did opt-in, but he's not going to say yes to less than 4 years $140million just to help the Rockets' cap. Seems to me the sign and trade can happen at any time, and likely will have to wait for Butler to explore some other free agency options once free agency conversation period opens June 30th: Lakers (as a back-up plan to Lakers missing out on Kahwi), Clippers (possibly to join a Kahwi there), or re-upping with Sixers for the 5-year max at $190million. Likely Kahwi domino needs to fall first before Butler's team starts committing.
     
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  16. D-rock

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    If this trade goes through, hope Rockets also aquire one of King's young bigs, e.g. Harry Giles or Caleb Swanigan.

    Would settle for Bjelica or Koufos too.
     
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    and just like that

    Lakers odds to sign Kawhi jumped from +900 to +190

    all in one day.

    there is heavy smoke
     
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    and just like that

    Lakers odds to sign Kawhi jumped from +900 to +190

    all in one day.

    I'm telling you that Arye guy is legit
     
  19. J Sizzle

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    I’ve accepted it’s happening.
     
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    Gambling odds are a reflection of where money is expected to come in and has come in. that's it. whether you want to read it any other way is purely a personal thing
     
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