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A look at Haralabos Voulgaris's basketball philosophy vs Morey's

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by mike_lu, Feb 24, 2013.

  1. RioFan

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    Not if we want to sign DHoward.
     
  2. HMMMHMM

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    That's funny, because Magic fans always complained about SVG sucking at in-game adjustments.
    I don't think there's necessarily much to that, however I do think people will complain pretty much no matter who is coaching their team.
    Also, as good a coach as SVG is, Orlando's offense had a tendency to be a little stagnant. Just saying.

    Steals don't necessarily equal gambling on D, though and the Rockets coaching staff doesn't want their players to gamble nearly as much as they do (according to Sampson via Friedman).
     
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    Yes...the 0.44 is based on the NBA average. What I was saying is that it's not accurate for Harden and using a play by play analysis, as Voulgaris advocated, is more accurate.
    Using 0.44 is like saying the average NBA player shoots 78% from the FT line so let's just take everyone FT attempts and multiply by 0.78 to get their points.
    You can actually just calculate the real data.
     
  5. hocash

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    I was saying that TS% doesn't need to approximate how many possessions someone uses based on his FT attempts. You can actually just use the real play by play data.
     
  6. DonatasFanboy

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    sure. Synergy's ppp is basically that stat (they account for turnovers too)
     
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    I am happy for Shane. I just wish he could have gotten a ring with us when we had Yao and TMac.
     
  8. Kwame

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    It was about the OP's conclusion below:

    I presented him with facts that contradict and disprove his entire argument, which he and you for that matter ignored.
     
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    Read RV6's signature.
     
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    You're really overstating how imprecise the 0.44 coefficient is. The variance from player to player for that coefficient is nothing close to FT%. NBAWOWY! (see my sig for the link) has exact "true shooting attempts" based on the play-by-play. Here is how the estimated TS% (using .44 coefficient) compares to the actual TS%:

    player              pts     fga     fta    tsa (est)    TS% (est)   FT_coeff (act)  tsa (act)  TS% (act)     TS% diff
    James Harden        1450    958     540      1196         60.6%       0.42            1186       61.1%        -0.5%
    Chandler Parsons    831     674     113      724          57.4%       0.43            723        57.5%        -0.1%
    Jeremy Lin          720     609     180      688          52.3%       0.44            689        52.2%        +0.1%
    Omer Asik           588     432     227      532          55.3%       0.45            535        55.0%        +0.3%
    Patrick Patterson   536     450     49       472          56.8%       0.45            472        56.8%        +0.1%
    Carlos Delfino      474     421     30       434          54.6%       0.40            433        54.7%        -0.2%
    Marcus Morris       450     391     75       424          53.1%       0.45            425        52.9%        +0.1%
    Toney Douglas       389     344     66       373          52.1%       0.41            371        52.4%        -0.3%
    Greg Smith          253     159     76       192          65.7%       0.45            193        65.5%        +0.2%
    Patrick Beverley    90      70      19       78           57.4%       0.47            79         57.0%        +0.5%
    Daequan Cook        55      59      3        60           45.6%       0.33            60         45.8%        -0.2%
    Donatas Motiejunas  65      48      15       55           59.5%       0.47            55         59.1%        +0.4%
    Cole Aldrich        50      43      9        47           53.2%       0.44            47         53.2%        +0.0%
    James Anderson      52      41      7        44           59.0%       0.43            44         59.1%        -0.1%
    Terrence Jones      34      34      6        37           46.4%       0.50            37         45.9%         0.5%
    Scott Machado       8       6       2        7            58.1%       0.50            7          57.1%        +1.0%



    We're talking a small fraction of a percentage point for players that have a significant number of shot attempts. 0.44 is good enough.
     
  11. Kim

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    OP, you're on 2+2? You play?
     
  12. mike_lu

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    Understand that. But Parsons obviously gambling more than last year. And Harden gambles all the time because he plays lazy defense quite frequently. Lin plays a lot of help defense, so in a way he's gambling off his man.

    But yeah, steals doesn't have to mean gamble.
     
  13. mike_lu

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    Not sure about '2+2'? What's that? Online game?

    Or just 2-on-2 basketball?
     
  14. mike_lu

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    Reply to Kwame. Can't see his posts nor reply to them directly as ... don't want to state the obvious.

    But yeah ... blanket statements like 'contradict and disprove his entire argument' is just as silly as 'Battier will never win a ring as a significant contributor of a team'.

    You're reinforcing the reasons why I can't see your posts.
     
  15. RV6

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    So Morey finally got Howard...

    probably struck out on SVG because he wanted total control...

    likes steals, so he got Ariza and Brewer.



    Isn't Faried a good off rebounder? Explains why Cyber said Morey wants him.

    Tried playing Dwight with shooters around, but shooters weren't good enough...now, Dwight isn't good enough. Seems like that didn't work out how Morey wanted.

    With Harden's emergence as a true MVP-caliber superstar, this fits perfectly now:



    Which would explain why Morey didn't want Rondo and why Dragic may be a perfect fit, but not necessarily the only option out there. Beverley has basically become that SG, who can defend pgs and shoots threes, that bob says fits best with a superstar SG. This also fits:

    I feel like Morey will stand Pat at the deadline, if Howard starts to pick it up in the post. If he doesn't, then he'll probably push hard for Pat's replacement, someone who can shoot the three, defends pgs, and penetrate. Besides Dragic, what other options are there? George Hill?
     

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