it was a process with him, he gradually improved as his career went on. in his prime he was a pretty good one. if he didn't catch HIV in his prime, he'd have more seasons with good 3pt shooting.
well i'm not sure, if Porzingis is screwed either way, kind of depends on which type of p*rn you prefer, hard and physical, or smooth and elegant It's hard to stop McHale either way, you might slow him a little, so kind of pick your poison.
hay gais, what are the lineups again? i haven't had much time to visit this thread, but want to chime in. not too late mehopes.
I have found a counter article not the only one of that sorts I had to mention http://www.thesportster.com/basketball/top-15-most-overrated-players-in-nba-history/ -) His rebounding numbers are good but not great..... heck Dirk Nowitzki could rebound like that. -) While he was a good defender, it was in the 80s and early 90s. Power forwards and bigs have undergone a drastic change. They have become more athletic, more finesse, more intelligent. Above all they are 6'11 and 7fters, agile as hell. They can shoot from everywhere. Have guard skills.....and so on. -) McHale wasn't the No. 1 on the Celts. He shared some responsibilities with Parish. A much better rebounder. We could see what a very skilled South American like Scola could do in today's NBA. McHale would score more for sure but he would also be limited because of athletic defenders. Today's NBA is more about the Face up game than the Post Up.......unfortunately. He would have to go to Hakeem's boot camp and work on his footwork even more and his long range shooting. As long as the Team's Defense is at least decent to good, the team can go by shooting 3s. Rockets are close but lack defensive coordination and consistency.
That article also mentions Wilt and Ewing, not sure I can take it serious. Also seems more about eye test than actual stats, guys like Z-Bo, Jefferson, Kanter, Cousins are still doing it successfully. If a guy like Kanter easily scores 20ppg on many defenders, what do you think a guy with McHale's repertoire would do? His rebounding numbers should also be taken with a grain of salt, as he played next to extremely good rebounders at their positions (Parish, Bird, Maxwell, DJ etc)
I am not saying he won't score, but those are more hard earned 23 ppg than in the past. Nuthin against white guys but that is how it is. I have virtually the best rebounders of all time and a team full of athletes that should be taken with a grain of salt as well? Of course Wilt's 100 pts one game should be taken with a grain of salt, not even the chuckest chucker Kobe could do that. And he chucked from everywhere. When it comes to me, NeNe Hilario, not an Allstar, is all of the sudden one of the studs in today's game? Gortat is Sabonis. WTF lelz.... next thing Parsons is the new Bird off the bench
Valuable antique rifle vs. high ammunition, fast firing modern Rifle..... you tell me..... grain of salt?
He was a very good defender, he could guard most players from 2 to 5. He usually took the toughest assignment for the Celtics. He was the one who would guard superstar scorers like Dr. J, Dominique Wilkins, Bernard King, Adrian Dantley, etc. There are many articles on the net today written by college kids to make 10$ from ads, they just rewrite the same information they find on google elsewhere. It's kinda hard to say anything about rebounding, because the Celtics were one of the best rebounding teams of the era. There's only so much rebounds you can get. Celtics were a big team with many good rebounders. McHale was a GOOD shooter btw. He was not just a post up guy. To me McHale seems like a pretty modern player -- a long tall quite mobile dude who could guard small forwards and even 2 guards well in his era. He had good shooting touch and in the post he was lethal. I think he would transition well. McHale got injured in 1987, so it's a shame he didn't get to play against some of the late 80-early 90 teams in his prime. But in his prime he still got to face a bunch of players that folks consider "modern" today, including Hakeem. McHale had plenty of great games vs. the Rockets. Sure, today it's less about post up game, and I consider it in these drafts. You'll rarely see me build around Hakeem and McHale and such for that reason, but sometimes I do, because I think they'd still be great players, just maybe not as great. McHale's weakness was passing, he didn't pass much. Not a ball handler. So you probably don't want to build a team around McHale, you want him as receiver, no. 2-3 option. Also not a dominant athlete like Hakeem, maybe closer to somebody like Bosh. But in terms of post scoring ability, I think he's one of the best, and a better shooter than Hakeem.
Depends who you compare him to. If you compare him to Hakeem, he's a nobody, if you compare him to Porzingis, they are both dudes who haven't made all star games. At least Nene was probably the 3rd best player on a very good team at one point, they almost beat Kobe/Pau and were arguably the 2nd best team in the league one year. Porzingis hasn't even made the playoffs and already seems to be full of himself like a superstar. Both Nene at his peak and current Porzingis seem like borderline all stars at best to me, nothing more.
I am not saying who has done more in their career..... Peeps take Porzingis 7'3 height and long wingspan for granted. Nene is a tweener, he hasn't played C every season. I am not even talking about talent..... this alone will prove to be a major distress to the opponent. I couple him with Giannis and Hakeem. Combined they are almost invincible.
You do not have much choice.... I think if you want to build around a C or a PF.....probably Duncan but even he has flaws you need to find the right personnel. For instance, you cannot put undersized, average athletes around Duncan and couple them with McHale the rookie coach...... Today's stars cannot win without other stars, that makes this game interesting. But you cannot say I have this superstar and he will do this and that. It should be about the combination of superstars, Allstars and role players. If you put Hakeem or McHale on the Sacramento Kings of today. They will post stats and the team still would suck....1st round exit at best. Hakeem will do better than McHale but the team would still be nothing because their management sucks. If you put Hakeem next to Harden, this team will be a Finals team...would be interesting against the Warriors. If you Hakeem and you cannot win more than 2 championships, then Morey isn't a great GM.
Nene was flawed for a center defensively. But the discussion on Nene here centered around how / if Porzingis can guard Nene. IMO, with difficulty. Nene was a power dude with a drop step, and he was mobile, could run, cut and explode for power dunks, I think Porzingis is too soft to handle that, Hakeem should probably guard Nene. I think Porzingis is overhyped because he's in New York, and it's getting into his head. I think that's what Phil Jackson's trade talk was all about. He was trying to humble Porzingis up, like he did with Kobe. Porzingis isn't even an all star, and he's skipping team meeting because he doesn't like team direction. Who does he think he is. He may be a great player some day, but today he's a non all star with no playoff experience. Nene was getting a little bit of hype too at one point, but people don't get hyped as much in Denver. Plus Nene had injuries / cancer, so whenever he got some hype, it would be followed by prolonged absense and the hype would go down.
Why would Porzingis guard Nene? Nene is not a threat in my eyes. Hakeem guards him half of the time, the other half McHale. Double team McHale and he will score less points.....I doubt Nene is a scoring threat. His scoring is limited even if he is unguarded all the time, which he won't be. Porzingis, Hakeem and Giannis and sometimes Beal will strip the ball off off Nene, McHale..... they are elite stealers IMO. Hakeem kept picking Shaq's pocket, what makes you think he won't do it to NeNe? Every guy on my starting 5 is a good thief. You cannot assume because Porzingis is a PF, he would automatically check Nene the whole game.....` Nene's career best in terms of seasons is 14.6 ppg - Dikembe Mutombo's best is 16.6. You can hear Yung T moaning about Mutombo......even Mutombo could score some..... My plan was to limit McHale, Magic, Hayward and Nene so Booker would have to shoot 3s to defeat me. And let Rubio shoot. I will try to pack the paint. At the other end I will use sudden, swift attacks to throw them off.... save halfcourt game for the 4th quarter.
If Porzingis doesn't guard Nene, and Hakeem is assigned on McHale half of the time, that sounds like half of a plan. The other club has Magic Johnson and he will see an explosive finisher undefended half of the time. Good luck stealing those alley oops. Nene was a solid scorer, very efficient.
Therein probably lies the problem...because you watched Nene more than Deke...and Deke scored more at times than Nene. As I said before, every guy on my team is an allrounder and tremendously athletic. He has a nice team but I will win the scoring battle even with zero Defense which won't be the case. Combined we are a better allround team. He got some specialists for sure and couple of allrounders. Magic is less without Kareem. McHale is less without Parish, Bird, Dennis Johnson, Bill Walton. and Ainge.... McHale played on a team with HOFers, more stars than the Golden State Frigiin Warriors.
Bro I already judged your matchup and said you'd destroy him in the post lol, not sure what your point is. Just saying the article is questionable.
