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2014 Astros Draft Pick Tracker

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  1. J.R.

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    Draft dispute is ugly, but Astros and Aiken both need to work it out

    [rQUOTEr]Brady Aiken, the No. 1 overall draft choice, and the Astros are in a high-stakes “game of chicken” in their negotiations, according to a person familiar with the talks, leading up to Friday's deadline to sign amateur players.

    Aiken, the prep lefty phenom, seeks to keep the $6.5-million original agreement with Houston, and his backers say he is healthy and sound; at least as of late Tuesday, he hadn't dropped his price. Meanwhile, the Astros have been seeking a deep discount following a team medical exam that uncovered what the team seems to believe is a worrisome abnormality related to the ulnar collateral ligament in his left pitching elbow.

    Some people familiar with the talks still believe the sides will work it out, at some compromise number, somewhere between the $6.5-million figure and the $3.17 million offer the Astros needed to make to retain his rights and prevent the 17-year-old lefty from becoming a free agent. And that makes sense. Both sides have too much to lose not to try to resolves this.

    Aiken, a supreme talent, needs to play ball. And the second-division Astros can ill afford to lose Aiken -- and thanks to a quirk in the rule, perhaps two more prime draftees, as well.

    While there's been mostly acrimony lately, the reality is that if Aiken goes unsigned, he will become only the second No. 1 overall pick in MLB history not to sign. Amateurs with his type of talent and future generally do not pass up pro ball.

    The issue remains the medical exam and how much, if any, to discount a deal for what the Astros believe to be an abnormality that carries increased risk, even beyond the obvious risk of drafting of a high school pitcher No. 1 in the first place. The perceived issue with the elbow ligament was first reported by CBSSports.com.

    Sources say the Astros' medical exam findings suggest the ligament to be very small, small enough to raise the question of whether it could eventually fall apart, as Evan Drellich of the Houston Chronicle reported. Meanwhile, Aiken's backers say he's been examined independently by the foremost doctors in the country, who they say find nothing to suggest there's anything concerning about Aiken's elbow, certainly nothing that would make him worth less than the $6.5 million original agreement. They also point out he hit 97 mph in his final game in high school near San Diego and continues to pitch pain-free and impressively on his own.

    Aiken's backers also suggest the Astros are trying to take advantage of something that is really nothing. When he signs, one Aiken supporter points out, “They're not sending him to the disabled list, they're sending him to the Gulf Coast League.”

    Aiken's people further note that he's asymptomatic. And Astros supporters point out that of course he is, otherwise he wouldn't have been first; that no irregularity was picked up until the team's medical exam.

    Things are getting downright ugly as the deadline approaches, with Aiken's adviser Casey Close telling FOXsports.com it's “extremely disappointing” that MLB is allowing the Astros to act “with complete disregard to the rules governing the draft.”

    Meanwhile, union leaders are lining up strongly behind Close. “It's disappointing on a number of fronts with all that's happened with respect to the draft process,” union leader Tony Clark said. “You can rest assured the manipulation we think happened is going to lead us to have a conversation.”

    Astros GM Jeff Luhnow defended his team's actions, saying by text, “Of course we are acting appropriately and within the rules. I won't comment on unsigned players and we can't comment on health issues so there is not much I can say If other parties want to portray the Astros in a negative light that is their choice, but we have acted properly at every turn.”

    And Dan Halem, MLB senior VP, backed up Luhnow. Halem said at the All-Star luncheon where MLB commissioner Bud Selig and Clark both spoke, “We believe the Astros have conducted themselves appropriately.”

    Especially troublesome to the union is that the Aiken case appears to be affecting another draftee, pitcher Jacob Nix, who had agreed to a $1.5-million bonus of his own that is now in limbo, as it seems to be tied to the Aiken situation. The Astros at least temporarily are said to have had to pull the offer to Nix, who passed his physical, as it seems they wouldn't have the slot money with which to sign Nix unless an Aiken deal gets done.

    In the somewhat complicated system, if Aiken goes unsigned, the Astros lose the entire $7.9 million in slot money attached to the No. 1 pick, and thus their ability to sign Nix, who seems to be an innocent bystander. (Luhnow declined comment on the Nix case, too, again citing his policy not to comment on “unsigned players.”)

    Union leaders believe Aiken was done wrong, with the theory that the Astros are seeking an even lower price on Aiken so they can afford No. 21 pick, lefthander Mac Maxwell, who's reported to also require $1.5 million. The Astros meanwhile simply view it as a case of seeing the player's value drop after something came up in the medical, as has happened on rare occasions in previous drafts -- like when R.A. Dickey was discovered to have no ulnar collateral ligament and his bonus was dropped from $810,000 to $75,000. (That story obviously has a happy ending as Dickey a decade later re-invented himself as knuckleballer, won a Cy Young and signed a deal for almost $30 million).

    While the Aiken stare down continues, it's questionable whether either side can afford to pass.

    The Astros, qualifiers to make the No. 1 pick three years running, can ill afford to lose a No. 1 talent. Sources suggest that he was easily their top pick, irrespective of price, for months. As Luhnow told CBSSports.com a few weeks ago, the failure to sign Aiken “would not be a good result.”

    Complicating matters is that a failure to sign Aiken also would mean a failure to sign Nix, a right-hander who's a friend of Aiken's and is also committed to UCLA, as well as Maxwell. In the slotting system, the Astros were hoping to sign all three players, but the failure to sign Aiken could cause them to sign none of the three.

    One more thing Nix and Aiken share is the same adviser, Close, and Close could lose both deals if Aiken and the Astros can't come together. Aiken was said by everyone around the Astros to be anxious to get on with his professional career. His parents and sister were said to have been in Houston when the first offer was pulled off the table following the team's medical exam.

    It's been a waiting game ever since, one neither side can afford to lose.[/rQUOTEr]
     
  2. Nick

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    Mac Maxwell?
     
  3. J.R.

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    Maxwell...Marshall, same difference. ;) You know who he meant.
     
  4. Nick

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    I guess this will be going down to the last second... a true game of chicken at this point.
     
  5. jim1961

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    Id rather have a #2 next year at this point.
     
  6. juicystream

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    I'd rather have him signed, have Nix signed, and take the rest and tell Mac we've got a plane ticket waiting on him if he wants it.
     
  7. jim1961

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    If he is damaged goods, why? If he isn't, why are the Stros making a big deal about it?

    If Aiken doesn't sign, we may very well have 2 of the first 5 picks next year.
     
  8. juicystream

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    #1 - Lucas Giolito was damaged goods when we took Correa. I'd take him over any prospect in our system outside of Correa.

    #2 - All pitchers have an injury and performance risk (Just look at Prior or Appel)

    #3 - He isn't hurt, he has a physical defect that may not hamper him at all. It is really just an unknown.
     
  9. Baseballa

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    There's a difference in damaged goods and defective goods.

    By all accounts Giolito had a perfectly normal UCL that was just injured. Injuries can be fixed.

    There's much less evidence to suggest deformities can. The only real high profile example is RA Dickey, and I doubt the Astros love the idea of potentially giving a guy $5 million+ to turn into a knuckleball pitcher who has one great season fifteen years later.
     
  10. juicystream

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    The UCL being small isn't necessarily a negative defect. For all we know it will make him less likely to destroy his elbow.

    If I liked him with a normal UCL, I like him with a small one.
     
  11. Baseballa

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    I think that's the thing. The unknown of it all makes it real scary, and much harder to sign off on the giant signing bonus.
     
  12. juicystream

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    It does, but we aren't offering him a giant signing bonus right now.
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>My gut feel is Aiken, Newcomb, Fedde all sign &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/astros">@Astros</a> also get 5th-rder Nix &amp; 21st-rder Marshall done. <a href="https://twitter.com/MLBDraft">@MLBDraft</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Angels">@Angels</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Nationals">@Nationals</a></p>&mdash; Jim Callis (@jimcallisMLB) <a href="https://twitter.com/jimcallisMLB/statuses/489888510225440770">July 17, 2014</a></blockquote>
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  14. Nick

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    He was already getting less than slot (far less than what Strasburg got who also tore his UCL in less than 2 years)... and chances are it will be even less than the rumored $5 million.

    In the grand scheme of things, the price differences we are talking about are equivalent to one time payments of $3 million... or basically half of what we are paying Wandy to not pitch for us this year (which netted us Robbie Grossman).

    Its not THAT scary...
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Rest assured: &quot;I'm fully communicating with everybody that I need to communicate with.” As to what will happen? &quot;I can't really comment&quot;</p>&mdash; Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) <a href="https://twitter.com/EvanDrellich/statuses/489963057339437057">July 18, 2014</a></blockquote>
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  16. Nick

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    I guess that's referring to the fact that Luhnow is in Mexico on a family vacation right now?

    Either Jeff is that good... or the Astros are done negotiating and the ball is entirely in Aiken's glove...
     
  17. The Beard

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    If Jeff is in Mexico right now and not negotiating in person, I'd guess Crane has already said we will pay him "X" dollars and not a penny more, and there isn't much to "negotiate"
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>“Every thing has to fall in place perfectly,” said Chan Brown Mac Marshall’s high school coach. The latest: <a href="http://t.co/l1Nbpv5ovr">http://t.co/l1Nbpv5ovr</a></p>&mdash; Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) <a href="https://twitter.com/EvanDrellich/statuses/489999388526125057">July 18, 2014</a></blockquote>
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  19. Nick

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    At least the Marshall camp can stop denying that they haven't heard or talked with anybody from the Astros.
     
  20. Baseballa

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    For the sake of his career, Luhnow better pray that he gets these guys signed today.

    Vacationing in Mexico while top draft picks go unsigned is a hell of a talking point for the anti-Astro crowd.
     

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