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16-year-old shot and killed inside Franklin County, Ohio courthouse

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  1. Rocket River

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    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/...killed-police-courthouse-180119073825276.html



    Teen shot dead by deputy in Ohio courthouse during fight with family members
    By Katherine Lam | Fox News
    Teen shot in courtroom after altercation with family, deputy

    A deputy was “viciously attacked” by a 16-year-old boy and his family in an Ohio courthouse after a hearing Wednesday, a police union spokesperson said Thursday -- despite the insistence of the slain teen’s family that excessive force was used.

    Joseph Haynes was in a domestic relations courtroom in Columbus when his family and a Franklin County Sheriff’s deputy reportedly got into a scuffle Wednesday. Haynes was appearing at a court hearing on firearm charges and an electronic monitoring device the court assigned him earlier in the case, said Rick Minerd, the investigations chief with the Franklin County Sheriff's Office.

    A police union spokesman, who is representing the unnamed deputy, disputed reports Thursday the encounter was a “scuffle,” saying it was an “attack” on the officer.

    “He responded, came in there and was violently attacked by multiple people,” the spokesman said at a news conference.

    Referring to the deputy’s injuries, the spokesman said: “What was very clear to me in my experience is that he was attacked and this was a fight for his life at some point. He was assaulted.”

    Minerd said previously that the altercation involved “the deputy and some of the family members.” Jennifer Brisco, Haynes’ lawyer, told The Columbus Dispatch the deadly shooting happened around the courtroom where the hearing was held. She said the teen was “a little out of sorts” because of the hearing’s outcome.

    "The officer threatened to lock him up and a scuffle broke out. Joseph was resisting, and that's when there was a scuffle,” Brisco said.

    Haynes' grandmother, Geraldine, told FOX28 Columbus the deputy and the teen’s mother got into an argument. Investigators said the deputy was knocked to the ground and was “under attack.” But Geraldine disputed that account.

    "There was no reason why that cop would have been terrified of Joey," she said.

    She added: "Joey went over, grabbed him by his shoulders and the guy slung him around and slung Joey to the ground. And then he got on top of Joey. And then Joey's hands were up in the air like that and the cop with his hand down by his side and the gun went off. He pulled the trigger on my grandson."

    Joseph Haynes suffered a gunshot wound to his abdomen. He died a half-hour later at the hospital.

    The deputy, who was not identified, was also hospitalized for unspecified injuries, though Minerd said the officer wasn't shot.

    Minerd said the sheriff's office extended its condolences to the family of Haynes and wished the injured deputy a quick recovery. He wouldn't speculate on what exactly happened.

    "That's a very busy courtroom, very emotional floor here in the courthouse," Minerd said.

    Court records showed Haynes had previous run-ins with the law, with charges including assault and carrying a concealed weapon.

    Haynes’ grandmother said the teenager was trying to turn his life around.

    “He was trying to get his life together. Now he won’t have a chance,” the grieving grandmother said.

    The sheriff's office immediately requested crime scene assistance from the state Bureau of Criminal Investigation, and two employees of the agency were assigned, records show.

    The Associated Press contributed to this report.



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    The video here is . . .. .
    https://www.10tv.com/article/conflicting-stories-emerge-courthouse-shooting-killed-teen-defendant

    In the Courthouse?
    I mean . . . do they have metal detectors?
    So they knew he did not have a gun
    SMH
    The only gun in play is the one the cop brought with him . . .. . .

    Rocket River
     
  2. justtxyank

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    No video of the actual shooting?

    Understanding is that the kid actually attacked the cop. Hard to get a lot of sympathy juice flowing if you attack a cop.
     
  3. Torn n Frayed

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    JFC they couldn't use a taser?
     
  4. txtony

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    Different accounts from two sides. Who to believe? Normally the "official" side, but that trust has been eroded, with good reasons.

    If only we have independent investigation for these matters.
     
  5. Dairy Ashford

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    They could, the teen could have also eventually grabbed the gun.
     
  6. Duncan McDonuts

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    This debate is pointless without video evidence. Statements by the family and police will be biased and worthless.
     
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    Irrespective of this incident, the fact that we can't rely on police to tell the truth is so pathetic. That the police investigate themselves when something like this happens is also pathetic.
     
  8. Rocket River

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    Completely true.

    Since the only gun on the scene is the cops
    Maybe we should not allow them in the courthouse

    Rocket River
     
  9. edwardc

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    There has to be a video somewhere .
     
  10. Bobbythegreat

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    Person attacks a cop and then people want you to see them as a victim....SMH.

    If you don't want to risk getting shot, don't attack people.
     
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    Now they'll blood test the victim for drugs and not blood test the shooter. Typical.
     
  12. Rocket River

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    If he attacked anyone else. . . .1. He would be alive . . .2. If he were killed his killer would go to prison

    Rocket River
     
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    who should investigate it?
     
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    **** makes no sense. A court full of house and nobody stepped in to take this kid off the officer?
     
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    This one's bare hand was about to kill the cop !
     
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    If he wasn't a violent asshole

    1. He wouldn't be dead.

    You always seem to be defending violent assholes when they attack people and their victims end up killing them. It's a bit odd.
     
  17. Rocket River

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    a 16 year old .. . . defending his Mother?

    A Grown ass man could not handle a 16 year old without shooting him . . . . . . ..
    GTFOH

    Rocket River
     
  18. Rocket River

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    Well He was 7 foot talll and 426 pounds
    He was quick as a jungle cat and strong as an elephant

    HE WAS SUPERHUMAN I TELL YOU .. . All the cop had was his gun and his wits . . . .


    Rocket River
     
  19. Bobbythegreat

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    Ah, well at least he had an excuse to be a violent asshole, they should write that on his headstone "Here lies violent asshole, he had an excuse to be violent and he jumped at it"
     
  20. SirIvyLeague

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    Looks like an entitled liberal, but idk if he deserved to get shot. I'm pretty sure an average size cop can pin him to the ground and get more authority in there to get him there.

    This is likely excessive force, but also a great savings for taxpayers. He was useless to society likely.

    SIL
     
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