1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Astros Offseason Moves

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Nov 19, 2014.

  1. Nippystix

    Nippystix Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2013
    Messages:
    1,510
    Likes Received:
    1,213
    C'mon man, please don't burst my bubble like that. Can't I dream of a Correa/Moncada left side of the infield for the next 10 years?
     
  2. Airdough

    Airdough Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2014
    Messages:
    1,205
    Likes Received:
    29
    What would be the affect if the Astros did pursue and acquire Moncada? If the Astros are thinking 2016-2017 contention, the consequences might be worth it.
     
  3. CisBuds4U

    CisBuds4U Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2009
    Messages:
    5,901
    Likes Received:
    1,819
    according to MLBTRADERUMORS.com

    "Astros owner Jim Crane told Jose De Jesus Ortiz of the Houston Chronicle that he doesn’t envision his team signing Shields. Some have speculated that Houston could be a sleeper for Shields, with the fruits of their rebuilding efforts on the brink of Major League contribution. However, Crane cited the lack of TV revenue from 2014 and Shields’ age as factors. “With the (local) TV money not coming in last year, that really hurt. That was over $50 million that we did not receive,” said Crane, who also added that he’s not sure the team is quite ready to begin making four-year investments. He did note that the Astros would have to consider the move “if we got a good deal.”

    so Crane would only go for Shields "at the right price." I have no problem with their decision not to want to offer him a 4-5 year deal at his age, but I hate hearing from the owner how cash-strapped they are due to lack of revenues, etc... not saying we have to spend like the Yankees but it would be nice to root for a team that is down to open their wallets wide to do what it takes to win. :(
     
  4. Castor27

    Castor27 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2001
    Messages:
    10,061
    Likes Received:
    1,408
    He won't have the revenue crutch to fall back on next year. I'll be interested to see how he acts next off-season now that he will have TV rights and should have a team ready to compete. If he falls back on the "no money" argument again then I will be concerned.
     
  5. juicystream

    juicystream Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2001
    Messages:
    29,287
    Likes Received:
    5,399
    100% penalty, and they'd be limited in how much they could offer anybody next year.
     
  6. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 1999
    Messages:
    23,936
    Likes Received:
    14,006
    100% penalty only means MLB gets the money and not Moncada. In other words, if Moncado is worth 80 million, team will offer 40 million. I believe Astros would be limited for two years. Considering Moncada, the loss of bonus spending the next two years is insignificant.

    Now the 80+ million needed to sign Moncada, that would be why Astros wouldn't do it. I don't think much of the 80+ million is deferred so that is a huge chunk of money now for a team not paid 50 million in TV revenue last season.
     
  7. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 1999
    Messages:
    23,936
    Likes Received:
    14,006
    PS among big name free agents, he would probably be at top of Astros wishlist. Just a wish, though.
     
  8. baubo

    baubo Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2014
    Messages:
    1,836
    Likes Received:
    429
    It's 2 years worth of penalties and I believe you're limited to $300K as the penalty.

    It would make more sense for the Astros to splurge next year, assuming their record is better and they have less international "capspace" to work with. And if you're going to do it, you should just go all out by signing multiple players since you're going to be effectively signing for 3 years.
     
  9. juicystream

    juicystream Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2001
    Messages:
    29,287
    Likes Received:
    5,399
    Very true, especially with the Yankees & Red Sox limited to the $300K bonuses for the next 2 signing periods.
     
  10. xcrunner51

    xcrunner51 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2002
    Messages:
    5,461
    Likes Received:
    2,300
    Jeff Zimmerman of Fangraphs published a quick write-up on Obie today.

     
  11. awc713

    awc713 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2012
    Messages:
    6,394
    Likes Received:
    5,991
    Interesting take. I like Obie. He's never flat out terrible. He's usually good for 6 innings, 3 runs...decent starter. Probably better suited as a long reliever on a championship contender, but he could be a serviceable #5 for a competitive team.
     
  12. vince

    vince Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2000
    Messages:
    3,253
    Likes Received:
    2,488
    Obie is a good #5 pitcher in probably 40-50% of teams in the majors. upgrading his position should not be a priority unless he is a free agent wanting #3 or #2 pitcher money. or if a young pitcher in the minors takes his spot flat out.

    I can see Obie being a #5 pitcher on this team for a couple of more years.
     
  13. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 1999
    Messages:
    23,936
    Likes Received:
    14,006
    He's looked like a number 5 to me. I worry more about the HR per flyback rate than the BABIP.
     
  14. sealclubber1016

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2010
    Messages:
    19,149
    Likes Received:
    27,932
    I think Obie is an MLB starter, even on a good team. He's unlikely to ever be a TOR guy, but I think he can be a solid innings eater who gives you around a league average ERA, which was basically his projection coming up.

    Particularly if you are a salary conscious team like the Astros. Having a guy do that on the cheap allows you to upgrade the team around him, maybe allowing you to splurge and get an actual TOR pitcher in FA.
     
  15. DaChamp

    DaChamp Member

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2014
    Messages:
    574
    Likes Received:
    136
    Hilarious. Crane is claiming that he didn't have enough money last year. Hopefully he realizes that a balance sheet includes both revenue and expenses. His opening day payroll was only $44MM in 2014, dead last in the league and $40MM less than the next lowest team in the division, Oakland. So, while he failed to collect $50MM last year from Comcast, he also was still running the team on a shoe string budget.
     
  16. Refman

    Refman Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2002
    Messages:
    13,674
    Likes Received:
    312
    A business with a $50 million revenue shortfall tends to cut back expenses. Not only did they lose $50 million in revenues, the team probably didn't sell as many tickets or as much merchandise as they would have had local fans been able to follow the team. This doesn't even touch the hundreds of thousands the Astros had to spend in legal fees from the CSN bankruptcy.

    The last two years are a financial anomaly for the team. Next offseason, the team should be more willing to spend.
     
  17. BMoney

    BMoney Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2004
    Messages:
    17,390
    Likes Received:
    10,550
    Spending money for the sake of it is pointless, especially on older pitching. The Astros can get Shields level talent when they are closing to contending.
     
  18. CisBuds4U

    CisBuds4U Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2009
    Messages:
    5,901
    Likes Received:
    1,819
    let's start the season already!!!!! I'm anxious to see the new lineup in games. I'm meh on the pitching rotation, but hope we find a gem out of our prospects this spring training.

    I can honestly say, probably the most excited I've been for baseball since, umm, 2007?? I kinda went comatose during the 2010-2014 years. Let's go 'Stros!!!!
     
  19. J.R.

    J.R. Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    Messages:
    107,342
    Likes Received:
    156,158
    Formerly known as Fausto Carmona

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Astros?src=hash">#Astros</a> have signed RHP Roberto Hernandez to a minor league contract with an invitation to Major League Spring Training.</p>&mdash; Houston Astros (@astros) <a href="https://twitter.com/astros/status/565964260321140736">February 12, 2015</a></blockquote>
    <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Hernandez, 34, went 8-11 with a 4.10 ERA (75ER/164.2 IP) in 32 games with the Phillies and Dodgers in 2014.</p>&mdash; Houston Astros (@astros) <a href="https://twitter.com/astros/status/565964998980034560">February 12, 2015</a></blockquote>
    <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
     
  20. HstnSprtsFan101

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2012
    Messages:
    1,383
    Likes Received:
    522
    Nice pickup. Could be a bargain
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now