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Logistics of eventual Rockets quantity-for-quality trade

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by rogower, Aug 22, 2014.

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  1. rogower

    rogower Member

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    It should be clear to all Rockets fans by now that Daryl Morey is waiting for an opportunity to trade some if not all of his stash of valuable but expendable assets for a big upgrade at PG or PF.

    It should also be clear that, in order for the salaries to add up, Houston will need to use its traded player exception to acquire a player who will make around $6.5-$8.0 mil in 2014-15. This player will probably be a) not very good and b) in the final year of his contract (making his contract an "expiring contract"). Three players who make about $6.5-$8.0 mil in 2014-15 who fit this description are Wilson Chandler, Tayshaun Prince, and Landry Fields.

    Thus, we can expect Houston to eventually use its TPE ("traded player exception") for one of these three contracts/players, and for this player to be packaged with some combination of the following assets in exchange for an Eric Bledsoe or a Rajan Rondo:

    New Orleans first round pick
    Clint Capela
    Isaiah Canaan
    Nick Johnson
    Donatas Motiejunas
    Nonguaranteed contracts (Alonzo Gee, Scotty Hopson, Josh Powell)

    MY QUESTIONS:

    1) Can the TPE be part of a three-team deal, wherein, for example, the TPE goes to Toronto, Landry Fields, the New Orleans first round pick, Clint Capela, Isaiah Canaan, Alonzo Gee, and Donatas Motiejunas go to Phoenix, and a signed-and-traded Eric Bledsoe goes to Houston? This would be fine, right?

    2) On what date may all of Houston's current players be traded?

    3) By what date must Eric Bledsoe accept the qualifying offer?

    I appreciate answers to these questions.

    Obviously I am trying to figure out if/when a quantity-for-quality trade will occur.
     
    #1 rogower, Aug 22, 2014
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    Soon.
     
    #2 RV6, Aug 22, 2014
  3. jordnnnn

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    I don't think you can trade the exception. It's just a way for teams to accept a player in a trade for up to or equal to the exception.
     
    #3 jordnnnn, Aug 22, 2014
  4. WinkFan

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    A TPE can't be traded. It is used to absorb incoming salary in a trade when a team is over the cap.

    In your senario, Toronto could just send Fields to Phoenix and get a TPE without involving the Rockets.
     
    #4 WinkFan, Aug 22, 2014
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    1) No. You CAN'T trade a TPE. It can only be used by the team owning the TPE to "absorb" a contract with a salary up to the worth of the TPE + 100k.
    In your scenario, the Rockets would send out $6.5 million and would only be able to take back a salary slightly under $10 million which obviously wouldn't be enough for Bledsoe. However, if you added the unguaranteed contracts of Hopson and Powell, the Rockets could take back about $14 million.

    2)
    Johnson, Capela: August 23
    Papanikolaou: September 8
    Gee, Hopson (and Ariza): September 15
    Smith, Dorsey, Adrien: October 19


    3) The qualifying offer expires on October 1, so I guess it's September 30.
     
    #5 try, Aug 22, 2014
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    What happens when Bledsoe still isnt signed after Oct 1?
     
    #6 stussysupreme, Aug 22, 2014
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    Why not just trade Gee, Hopson and Powell (all non-guaranteed contracts) for one of those guys and preserve the $8.4M trade exception for something else (like taking back bad contracts in a salary dump)?

    That is what I proposed in my last salary cap update.

    Also, Wilson Chandler has two years left on his deal (the second is partially guaranteed).
     
    #7 BimaThug, Aug 22, 2014
  8. MosKeemYao

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    1 Qualifying offer is exercised what Greg Monroe is doing.
     
    #8 MosKeemYao, Aug 22, 2014
  9. rogower

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    Houston could go that route, too, I suppose, seems to me that Morey presently has a ton of flexibility, although he'll have quite a bit less flexibility once rosters have to be trimmed to 15. Which is why he is presumably pretty active right now. Presumably a trade for Bledsoe would occur between 9/15 (when Gee and Hopson are trade eligible) and 9/30 (day before Bledsoe must accept qualifying offer).
     
    #9 rogower, Aug 22, 2014
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    Papa 4.5
    Gee 3
    Motie 1.6
    Hopson 1.5

    Total: 10.6

    So basically Morey can package those 4 together (2 non-guaranteed, 1 expiring), and trade for a $15.6m player (within $5m).

    I don't see why we would need to acquire someone with the TPE just to send them out for matching purposes? I kind of thought that was one point in signing Papanikolaou? So that there is the ability to use him as an expiring salary matcher within 30 days. Or did I get that wrong?
     
    #10 DrNuegebauer, Aug 22, 2014
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    I think that the rockets will have to add Johnson or Capela and obviously the NOP pick. Do that and then use the TPE and some picks for Ilyasova. That will pretty much lock in the starting five (unless there are any future trades of course) for the next few years and make them a favorite in the west.

    Bledsoe/Bev/Canaan/Smith
    Harden/Daniels/Garcia
    Ariza/Covington/Adrien
    Ilyasova/Jones
    Howard/Dorsey

    They need another back up big but I'm sure that they could figure something out.
     
    #11 DM'sVP, Aug 22, 2014
  12. SuperKev

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    DM is probably hoping some of these guys outperform their value to attract a team. Might even see someone considerably outperform the perceived value. Still lots of time for deals to happen.
     
    #12 SuperKev, Aug 22, 2014
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    I was just illustrating that we can trade for 15m without goo much trouble.

    Needs to be done before rosters get trimmed to 15.
     
    #13 DrNuegebauer, Aug 23, 2014
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    In your scenario, team would still have BAE (Okafor, Udph, O'Neal, etc.)
     
    #14 jch1911, Aug 23, 2014
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    It's going to suck seeing Nick traded. Same with Clint, but to a lesser degree.
     
    #15 Raven, Aug 23, 2014
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    I see Canaan being the odd man out. Suns multiple PG system seems to value scoring (Canaan) over potential (Johnson).
     
    #16 D-rock, Aug 23, 2014
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    Plus Suns already have a Nick Johnson (raw combo guard) type who they drafted in 2013 and are very high on, Archie Goodwin.
     
    #17 D-rock, Aug 23, 2014
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    If the TPE can be used to absorb a player up to nearly $8.5M, I assume that the Rockets could just send a 2nd rounder for a player like Tayshaun Prince. But could such a move be part of another trade where they immediately trade Prince to another team along with Gee, Hopson, etc. in order to bring in a player with a higher salary?
     
    #18 theDude, Aug 23, 2014
  19. rogower

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    This is my question, as well. Can the trade be a three team deal, in other words? A trade like this:

    2015 second round draft pick from Houston to Memphis

    Tayshaun Prince (acquired by Houston via TPE), Alonzo Gee, Clint Capela, Isaiah Canaan, & New Orleans first round pick to Phoenix

    Eric Bledsoe signed and traded (four years, $60 mil?) to Houston

    ?

    Is this sort of trade allowed? My purpose in creating this thread is to try to flesh out what a quantity-for-quality trade might look like, and the logistics/timing of it all.

    Everybody should understand that Phoenix DOES NOT want Bledsoe to accept the qualifying offer and enter the 2015 free agent season as an unrestricted free agent. Phoenix will FOR SURE either a) re-sign Bledsoe or b) sign-and-trade him to the highest bidder prior to 10/1. It should go without saying that this sense of urgency may result in the Suns not getting exactly what they want for Bledsoe, but beggars can't be choosers. Note the ongoing tendency of Daryl Morey smelling blood and exploiting other teams. THIS is why he is disliked, ultimately.

    Keep in mind that Phoenix will likely look to flip some if not all of the assets received for Bledsoe to some other team for a center, e.g., Roy Hibbert or, more likely (IMO), Larry Sanders.
     
    #19 rogower, Aug 23, 2014
  20. Aleron

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    No it's not allowed, because it's effectively 2 trades (the TPE absorption can't be used like that)
     
    #20 Aleron, Aug 23, 2014
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