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Net Neutrality crumbles

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Depressio, Jan 14, 2014.

  1. Depressio

    Depressio Contributing Member

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    http://bgr.com/2014/01/14/net-neutrality-court-ruling/

    Some of my favorite ridiculous excepts:

    Ahh, that irony of Google forcing the issue of increasing speed actually yielding damage to net neutrality.

    Prepare for degraded service to certain websites, folks. Netflix? Yeah, you can't stream that well without paying an extra $5/mo to your provider, or without Netflix paying a toll to your internet provider. The best image that I've found to describe how ridiculous this is would be this one:

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    As if bandwidth caps weren't ridiculous enough.
     
  2. Commodore

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    The court didn't rule against net neutrality, they ruled the FCC acted outside its authority.

    If people want net neutrality, they will appeal to their elected representatives to pass it.

    About time there was some judicial pushback against executive end runs around democracy. It's so damn rare.

    Obama was actually touting today his ability to take executive action, like it's something to be proud of. Never heard a POTUS talk like that until Obama.
     
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    Consumers have a choice in ISPs?

    Mega facepalm.
     
  4. ryan_98

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    we have the illusion of choice :eek:
     
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    Old people that don't even know how to Google net neutrality deciding on its fate.
    Anyone under the age of 30 is SERIOUSLY underrepresented in government.
     
  6. YallMean

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    Lawrence Lessig of Harvard Law has a book on this topic and others from what I call the "democrat's“ point of view. Best of all, he is setting an example by making it free here.
     
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    You never fail to either take the side of corporate interests or strong-arm President Obama into the conversation. This time, you hit a two-run homer. Congrats, Commodore.
     
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    Fairly old article, but relevant to Verizon, the company with the lawsuit that caused the judge to overturn a piece of net neutrality.

    I wonder how the right feels about Verizon getting $2.1 billion is tax breaks and not delivering?

     
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    Mostly this - just a few qualms.

    Yes, the actual judicial holding was that the FCC acted outside of it's authority. I'm also a big fan of judicial pushback against the rampant and habitual line stepping of executive authority.

    But, net neutrality is one thing the feds had done relatively well and had acted as a balancing counter weight against corporate interests. I believe the internet is something that is bigger than a constituent/locality based issue, and is something better left handled in the hands of a federal government focused on keeping the internet open and free. This decision allows for ridiculous outcomes (as outlined in the chart above) that not only stifle entertainment (where most corporate concerns lie with heavy bandwidth usage), but also suffocate education, innovation and a more open and freely accessible consumer market with no boundaries and limitations.

    Definitely not a fan of the Obama exec. action boasting either - although it's gotten significantly worse, post Clinton. Hoping the next President curtails the ability to use exec action, but at this point seems like a pipedream.
     
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    As long as Congress continues to do nothing, executive action isn't going away.
     
  12. Commodore

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    yeah that's not how it works

    Nothing gets done because there's very little agreement about what should be done.

    Using executive actions to bypass the hard work of political concensus building is undemocratic. Obama is averse to hard work. Much easier to have staff write up a decree and he can sign it and go play golf.

    In some cases he doesn't even bother with that. He used a freaking press conference to notify insurance companies it was ok to continue offering policies outlawed by Obamacare. He promised they wouldn't get in trouble and he would ignore his own law, but only for one year.

    He doesn't care if it's lawless, no one can stop him.
     
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    [​IMG]
     
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    Actually, that is exactly how it does not work.


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    Yeah, we have about as much choice in ISP's as we do in political parties.
     
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    Every president who has faced an opposition Congress has said things like that.
     
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    Anyone care to explain to me how this affects Jontro and his fapping habits??
     
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    All of these tech cases are shedding light on a major problem developing now throughout the judiciary of older judges who are unable to properly understand newer technological concepts and are out of touch with most new technology. This is only going to get worse in the coming years.
     
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    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...s-fcc-poised-for-about-face-on-net-neutrality

    FCC Poised For About-Face On Net Neutrality

    The first time I saw this issue rear its head 5 years ago, I naively dismissed it. All the big tech/internet companies wouldn't possibly lay down for the likes of Comcast, would they? With telecoms shills like O'Rielly and Wheeler on the FCC, this was bound to happen.

    Until the revolving door of Big Business and Government isn't blockaded, you'll see more and more industry infiltration. Net neutrality is one of several issues where the average American just stares helplessly from outside the window looking in. With developments like this, it's hard to fault the libertarian mantra of Big Business loving Big Government.
     
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    what's the possibility we get some legislation on this issue?
     

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