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Progressive media claims they'll be "tougher" on Obama now

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    Progressive media claims they'll be "tougher" on Obama now

    Given the rationale they have embraced, is there any reason to believe this will happen, or that it will matter if it does?

    Glenn Greenwald

    guardian.co.uk, Monday 3 December 2012 07.58 EST

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    Last week, the Huffington Post's media reporter, Michael Calderone, wrote <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/21/msnbc-obama-coverage_n_2170065.html?utm_hp_ref=media">a long article</a> on the widespread perception that MSNBC isn't so much a progressive network as it is "simply pro-Obama". Citing a <a href="http://www.journalism.org/analysis_report/final_weeks_mainstream_press">new Pew study</a> that found that MSNBC was actually more negative toward Romney than even Fox News was against Obama "and offered mostly positive coverage about Obama" - most remarkably, during the last week of the campaign, MSNBC <a href="http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/f1/83/f183cd80af80a84de692005e3571b0e4.png">did not air a single story critical of Obama</a>: not one - Calderone wrote: "post-election, the question is whether MSNBC continues cheering Obama on - or takes him on."</p><p>On Sunday, Politico's media reporter, Dylan Byers, <a href="http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=55B60014-6FFB-47A3-B4AE-204E9E8050DF">set out in search of an answer to that question</a>, not regarding MSNBC specifically but "progressive media" generally. Here's the crux of what he found:</p><blockquote><p>"For the better part of four years, progressive media has had President <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/barack-obama" title="More from guardian.co.uk on Barack Obama">Barack Obama</a>'s back.</p><p>"Now that he's won re-election, it is faced with a choice: Should the left continue always to play the loyal attack dog against the GOP, blaming the opposition at all hours of the news cycle for intransigence? Or, should it redirect some of that energy on the president, holding him to his promises and encouraging him to be a more outspoken champion of liberal causes?</p><p>"Already, there are rumblings of change.</p><p>"In the days and weeks following Obama's victory, progressive voices, primarily in print media, have made efforts to push the president on key parts of the unfinished liberal agenda - including climate change, drone strikes, troop withdrawal from Afghanistan, the closing of the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, civil liberties and gun control. . . . </p><p>"'Liberals in the media are going to be tougher on Obama and more respectful at the same time,' Hendrik Hertzberg, The New Yorker's chief political commentator and a former speechwriter for Jimmy Carter, told POLITICO. 'He was the champion of our side, he vanquished the foe….. [but] now liberals don't have to worry about hurting his chances for re-election, so they can be tougher in urging him to do what he should be doing.'"</p></blockquote><p>[I want to focus on this claim that media progressives will now be "tougher" on Obama, but first, an aside: Hendrik Hertzberg proclaims that they will now be even "more respectful" of Obama than they have been. Short of formally beatifying him, or perhaps transferring all their worldly possessions to him, is that even physically possible? Is there a reverence ritual that has been left unperformed, <a href="http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/10/barack-obama-is-a-great-president-yes-great.html">swooning praise</a> left to be <a href="http://ggsidedocs.blogspot.com.br/2012/09/andrew-sullivan-on-obama.html">lavished upon him</a>, heinous acts by him that have not yet been acquiesced to if not affirmatively sanctioned in the name of keeping him empowered? That media progressives will try to find ways to be even "more respectful" to the president is nothing short of scary.]</p><p>As for the vow that media progressives will now criticize Obama more and hold him more accountable, permit me to say that I simply do not believe this will happen. This is not because I think those who are taking this vow are being dishonest - they may very well have convinced themselves that they mean it - but because the rationalization they have explicitly adopted and vigorously advocated precludes any change in behavior.</p><p>Over the past four years, they have justified their supine, obsequious posture toward the nation's most powerful political official by appealing to the imperatives of electoral politics: namely, it's vital to support rather than undermine Obama so as to not help Republicans win elections. Why won't that same mindset operate now to suppress criticisms of the Democratic leader?</p><p>It's true that Obama himself will no longer run in an election. But any minute now, we're going to be hearing that the 2014 midterm elections are right around the corner and are of Crucial Significance. Using their reasoning, won't it be the case that those who devote their efforts to criticizing Obama and "holding accountable" the Democrats will be effectively helping the Republicans win that election? Won't Obama critics stand accused of trying to keep the Speaker's gavel in the hands of the Tea Party rather than returning it to Nancy Pelosi, or of trying to hand Senate control over to Mitch McConnell (or, soon enough, of trying to give the White House to Marco Rubio instead of Hillary Clinton)?</p><p>Once one decides in the name of electoral expediency to abdicate their primary duty as a citizen and especially as a journalist - namely, to hold accountable those who wield the greatest political power - then this becomes a permanent abdication. That's because US politics is essentially one permanent, never-ending election. The 2012 votes were barely counted before the <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/election-2016-chris-cillizzas-13-front-runners/2012/11/08/5c5085b0-29b0-11e2-96b6-8e6a7524553f_gallery.html">political</a> <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444273704577634074227539362.html">media</a> <a href="http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/2016-contenders-courting-mega-donors-84497.html?hp=t1">began chattering</a> <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/07/with-2012-election-done-fields-wide-open-for-2016-presidential-tickets/">about 2016</a>, and MSNBC is already - as one of its prime time hosts <a href="http://video.tvguide.com/The+Ed+Show/Democrats+gear+up+for+2014/16980354?autoplay=true&amp;partnerid=OVG">put it</a> - "gearing up" for the 2014 midterm.</p><p>I've <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/11/why-the-long-campaign-season-has-been-bad-for-america/264589/">described before</a> how the permanent election cycle is the most potent weapon for keeping the citizenry (and media) distracted by reality-TV-show-type trivialities and horse-race excitement in lieu of focus on what the government is actually doing. But the other significant benefit of having all political disputes viewed through a partisan electoral prism is that it keeps partisans focused only on the evils of the other party and steadfastly loyal to their own. The desire to influence election outcomes in favor of one's own party subsumes any sense that political officials from one's own party should be checked in how they exercise their power.</p><p>How is it rationally possible that those who have embraced this reasoning can - or should - change behavior in light of the looming Incredibly Important 2014 midterm election and then the 2016 election after that? Former MSNBC host and frequent Obama critic Cenk Uygur - who, in one of the most remarkable media events ever, was removed by MSNBC as prime-time host in favor of individual who <a href="http://www.salon.com/2011/07/27/sharpton_10/">literally vowed</a> <strong>never to criticize the president under any circumstances</strong> - told the Huffington Post that it was hard to see how this would happen:</p><blockquote><p>"'Should MSNBC take a more aggressive stance with President Obama after the elections to make sure he follows through on his progressive promises? Of course,' Uygur said in a follow-up email. 'Will they? Probably not. They've been leaning back on their criticism of Democrats for so long, that I'm not sure they know how to, or care to, hold them accountable.'"</p></blockquote><p>If sustained criticisms of the president should have been suppressed in deference to the 2012 election, then I simply don't see why the same mindset won't apply to the 2014 and 2016 elections.</p><p>But let's assume for the sake of argument that I'm wrong here, and that the "progressive media" really is gearing up to change behavior and unleash a torrent of demands and criticisms aimed at Obama. Here's my primary question about that: why would that matter?</p><p>Once you vow unconditional, permanent loyalty to a politician and a party - once you demonstrate that you will support them no matter what they do - why would you possibly expect that they will do anything but ignore you? A rational politician, by definition, pays attention to those whose support is conditional and uncertain, not to those who loudly proclaim that it is a solemn duty to support that politician and his party under all circumstances. That's just the basic rules governing how power works, of negotiations and politics: those who eagerly renounce all their leverage make themselves inconsequential and impotent. </p><p>What Hertzberg and his Obama-loyal media comrades mean by "getting tougher" with Obama is some version of this message:</p><blockquote><p><em>I'd really appreciate it if you did X, Y and Z, and strongly believe you should, but even if you don't, you should know that I'm going to be there for you and your party: cheering for you, raising money, demanding that everyone else support you, doing everything in my ability to keep you empowered.</em></p></blockquote><p>Why would anyone believe that posture will affect anything? Once the choice is made to lock oneself into a state of permanent, unbreakable partisan loyalty, based on the lesser-evil justification, then one renders oneself completely powerless.</p><p>I'm not arguing here against that choice. Whatever one thinks of the lesser-of-two-evils rationale, it's at least cogent and rational. The debate over that choice has already been hashed out and there's no point in repeating it here. But whatever one thinks of it, there are costs and benefits to that choice, and one should be honest about both.</p><p>The benefit, which its proponents endlessly tout, is that it prevents the empowerment of the "greater evil": the GOP. But there's a significant cost to that choice that they almost never acknowledge: namely, to announce ahead of time that you will always lend your unlimited support to a particular party no matter what it does is to instruct politicians to ignore you, to disregard all of your beliefs and grievances and efforts to "get tough" and hold them accountable. </p><p>It should be said that there are other ways to impose genuine accountability besides making one's electoral support uncertain. One way is to engage in political protest movements outside the electoral process, of the type that forced Lyndon Johnson out of the 1968 race in protest of his Vietnam war, or even the Tea Party protests that put genuine fear in the hearts of political elites.</p><p>But progressive media figures, for the most part, want nothing to do with street protests. There was, and is, a genuine, powerful movement devoted to protesting the political class on populist grounds - the Occupy movement - and most of them <a href="http://www.salon.com/2011/09/28/protests_21/">treated it with a mixture</a> of <a href="http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/occupy-wall-street">condescension</a> and <a href="http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2011/09/27/why-establishment-media-the-power-elite-loathe-occupy-wall-street/">scorn</a>, largely because they couldn't figure out how it might help Obama and the Democratic Party win elections. Nobody should hold their breath waiting for Hendrik Hertzberg and other similar progressive media figures to start supporting protest movements against the policies of the Democratic Party which they claim to find so objectionable.</p><p>Another possibility is waging a battle within the Party against those perpetrating policies to which one objects by, for instance, challenging the Party's establishment candidates in primaries. That is how the Tea Party was able to force the GOP to pay more heed to their agenda. </p><p>But establishment progressives regard the Tea Party's tactic with contempt because it was guilty of the most grievous sin - it undermined the Party's ability to maximize its electoral success - and would never dream of posing a similar challenge to their own party's establishment. I know from experience, having worked for several years on <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/27/us/politics/27web-liberals.html?partner=rss&amp;emc=rss&amp;_r=0">a project to recruit and empower primary challenges to awful Democratic incumbents</a>, that any project that might cost the Democrats even a single seat in Congress will be met with <a href="http://www.salon.com/2008/07/29/blue_dogs_lie/">anger and recrimination by establishment progressives</a>. </p><p>So, even if it actually happens, what Hertzberg and company are really talking about with their tough-talking vows to "be tougher" on Obama are empty gestures. "Demands" of politicians unaccompanied by a strategy to wield power are inherently inconsequential. There are truly few things I'd like to see more than progressives holding Obama accountable and trying to compel him to change behavior, but their past conduct - and especially the reasoning they offered to justify it - leaves little reason to believe that this can or will happen. </p><p>Doing that requires require a radical change in how one thinks about political priorities and, even more so, one's own functions and duties as a journalist. Do you see any serious grappling with those questions in the giddy, triumphant, self-congratulatory progressive media?</p><p>One final point: most of the people interviewed in the new Politico article (including from media figures who have been quite critical of Obama) all agree that the "progressive media" suppressed legitimate criticisms of Obama in order to help him and the Democrats win the election. As the Nation's publisher, Katrina vanden Huevel, accurately put it to Politico (with a statement that is a strong contender for Understatement of the Year):</p><blockquote><p><br />"'MSNBC, with all due respect, has not been that strong in terms of talking about closing Guantanamo, about militarization, about this administration's civil liberties record,' Katrina vanden Heuvel, the editor and publisher of The Nation, told POLITICO. 'We may address alternative approaches to those issues, but they won't be the talking points on MSNBC that night.'"</p></blockquote><p>The Huffington Post article expressed the same idea:</p><blockquote><p>"MSNBC's afternoon and primetime hosts kept their sights on Romney and the Republicans during the election cycle, while spending considerably less time holding Obama accountable on issues like civilian casualties from drone strikes, use of executive power and the Afghanistan conflict, the nation's longest-ever war, which escalated under the current White House. Instead, the network's top partisan hosts –- with the exception of former Republican Rep. Joe Scarborough –- seemed to circle the wagons around the Democratic president during his reelection bid."</p></blockquote><p>If you think about it, this is actually an extraordinary indictment of these media outlets. What could possibly be worse for a media outlet - even one with acknowledged political leanings - than purposely to suppress and ignore criticisms of the nation's most powerful political officials in the name of keeping one's favorite politicians in power?</p><p>Recall the controversy - and the <a href="http://mediamatters.org/video/2006/11/09/limbaugh-greets-democrats-as-liberators/137266">endless</a> <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/08/268910/-Rush-Tells-His-Audience-Today-I-m-Full-of-Crap-Seriously">progressive mockery</a> - that erupted when <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-derych/rush-tells-his-audience-i_b_33690.html">Rush Limbaugh admitted after the 2006 midterm election</a> that he had "carried water" for the GOP by suppressing criticisms of it because he wanted to help them win the election:</p><blockquote><p>"The way I feel is this: I feel liberated, and I'm going to tell you as plainly as I can why. I no longer am going to have to carry the water for people who I don't think deserve having their water carried. Now, you might say, 'Well, why have you been doing it?' Because the stakes are high! Even though the Republican Party let us down, to me they represent a far better future for my beliefs and therefore the country's than the Democrat [sic] Party does and liberalism."</p></blockquote><p>Is this not the same confession, grounded in the same mentality, expressed in that Politico article from many stars of "progressive media"?</p><p>Ultimately, it's not actually that difficult to maintain and express these two simultaneous ideas: </p><blockquote><p>(1) as a journalist, I'm now going to tell you about some truly heinous policies that President Obama, as the nation's most political official - as well as the Democratic Party, in control of the bulk of the US government - are embracing; as a citizen and an opinionist, I believe we should do everything possible to oppose these heinous policies loudly and effectively; and</p><p>(2) now that an election is about to happen, I believe, as a citizen and an opinionist, that President Obama and the Democratic Party should win the election because their opponents are worse.</p></blockquote><p>But so monomanically obsessed were many members of the progressive media that idea (1) was completely ignored and suppressed in favor of idea (2) - not in the days or weeks before the election, but for years. There is never any justification for those who work in media or hold themselves out as journalists - as opposed to, say, those who are party apparatchiks - to refrain from holding the nation's most powerful political leaders accountable. That is the core function of journalism - and citizenship. I genuinely hope they're serious and sincere with their vows to change this conduct, but it is very difficult to see how that can happen given the precepts to which they have so steadfastly committed themselves.


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/03/progressive-media-obama-criticisms
     
  2. DonnyMost

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    If MSNBC qualifies as "progressive" then we're all in big trouble.
     
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    This should prove interesting

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    I'll expect MSNBC to be truly tough on Democrats when Fox starts following their "Fair and Balanced" tagline, which is to say, never.
     
  5. Nook

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    MSNBC and FOX are not reputable "media".... then again neither is Glenn Greenwald..... it is the equivalent to Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity saying they will be tough on GW Bush..... not going to happen.

    On a side note, you lost Trashy, move on... you have gone beyond sour grapes and are circling the drain.
     
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    Why is this? I've been a fan of his since I found out about him around 2006-2007. What has he done to hurt his reputation as a journalist?
     
  7. rtsy

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    Actually criticize Obama.
     
  8. SamFisher

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    Considering that your BBS career revolves around copying, reformatting and pasting things wholesale from salon.com, gawker, the guardian and other left-leaning websites, you're about the last person in the universe who needs more access to this kind of material.
     
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    pew pew pew
     
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    Rtsy, Romney lost. Please get over it and move on.
     
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    I could get content from plenty of other sources, but I prefer to watch Obamaists attack gay, progressive journalists.
     
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    I love how you throw gay in there. Democrats hate gays! rtsy if you hate Obama (Dear Leader) so much you should have done your part to help Romney campaign against him. Or you didn't do enough which makes you lazy. All of this negative talk about our president makes you very anti-American as well. If you don't love this country you can geeet out.
     
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    I'm with Haymitch. What has Geenwald done to hurt his reputation? Was it the kill list stuff?
     
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    Hey our side has been thoroughly dicredited and I find that embarassing. So let's have some dumbo equivalence. Both the Dems and the Repubs suppressed voters. MSNBC and Fox are the same. Glenn Greenwald and Rush Limbaugh and Hannity are the same in their attitude towards facts.
     
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    Actually as a typical GOP/"libertarian" you only attack liberals and not conservatives for the same positions.
     
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    I mainly call out liberals for their hypocrisy and disregard about the issues (due to the Obama cult following).
     
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    You don't call out anybody for hypocrisy, as you have proven yourself entirely unable to find prior contradictory statements by the same speakers.

    Maybe you just don't understand what the concept means?

    Anyway, you don't "mainly" do that. You don't do it at all. You just post random screeds and make generic allusions to "liberals" and "cultists" without identifying a single person.
     
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    Oh yeah, Glenn Greenwald is the equivalent of Rush Limbaugh. I forgot.
     
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    :confused: If this was an attempt to show "hypocrisy" and not a weird non-sequitur, it failed.

    Let me post what I posted again, so that you can try to respond to it:

    You don't call out anybody for hypocrisy, as you have proven yourself entirely unable to find prior contradictory statements by the same speakers.

    Maybe you just don't understand what the concept means?

    Anyway, you don't "mainly" do that. You don't do it at all. You just post random screeds and make generic allusions to "liberals" and "cultists" without identifying a single person.
     
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    Oh yeah, Glenn Greenwald is the equivalent of Rush Limbaugh. I forgot.
     

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