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MO IN LIMBO: Nba Talk update on Mo situation (looks like he´s ours, i suppose)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Thanos, Aug 16, 2000.

  1. Thanos

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    "Taylor in Limbo The same Post article also reports that Maurice
    Taylor is leaning toward signing with the Houston Rockets. However, a
    league source told NBAtalk late last night that neither team has
    heard much from Taylor since Friday. NBAtalk learned Thursday that
    Taylor was leaning toward the Sonics. However since that time there
    has been very little coming from the Taylor camp. League sources still
    expect Taylor to make his decision today or tomorrow, however, his
    time line has shifted several times in the past. One source said it will
    come down to whether the Sonics can work out a sign-and-trade with
    the Clippers. If they can, Taylor wants to play in Seattle. If they
    can't, Mo may head to Houston, sign a one year deal, and wait for the
    Rockets to get under the cap next year"

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    I don´t think Seattle has a prayer of pulling a sign-and-trade from the Clips, they just DON´T want to add players to their roster, and as most of us already figured out, that NOT being the case means that if Mo can´t get the big bucks he´ll come here where he´ll be a starter...

    let´s hope Rudy and CD can gift-wrap the kid to us as early as today...

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  2. oeilpere

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    So Far:

    1. Mo will take a showcase season in a one year deal. But, Mo wants a long term deal. Well,duh! For various reasons, one of the only western teams capable of that are the Rockets.
    2. The Sonics are stuck with a full roster. They have a hard task of un;loading not one but maybe two players to make room, cause Mo wants some playtime.
    3. There is no guarantee that Mo will get prime playing time on any team, but the Rockets have the better chance of giving him a showcase, even if he has to take a pay cut.


    Word is:

    1. Some eastern teams (including Miami) have made some very impressive bids for Taylor's services.
    2. The front runner is Houston. Believe it.
    3. The Rockets want to use the trade ($4M) exemption if possible in this deal, or have him sign for the $2.5M exception in a one year deal. In that order.
    4. The use of the Houston trade exception would require a whole lot of good things to happen to make it work. Including selling the Clips on a sign and trade. That's the stopper. The Clips like who they have and DO NOT want any more personnel. They do not necessarily want to accomadate Mo either. But they have needs too. The other stopper is getting a third team involved. Mmmmmmmm. Wonder who that could be?
    5. This deal with Taylor will decide whether CD uses the trade ($4M) exemption, or let's it slide.

    Don't mistake quiet or no responses - with no action - when it comes to Houston deals. (Especially late deals.)

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  3. JayZ750

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    oeilpere-

    Just curious as to what the reasoning is for wanting so badly to use the trade exception in this deal, UNLESS they are also planning on dumping off some salry simultaneously or are just plannig on taking a guy with a one year ocntract. I thought they were gearing up for FA's next year. Do they think Mo could possibly be the PF of the longterm future, and if so, are they willing to use FA space next year to get him? Also, besides Drew, who could we really be shopping to the Clippers?

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  4. Thanos

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    I beg to differ. IMHO the Rockets do NOT want to make use of the exception on the Taylor deal, and that´s EXACTLY why this mess is taking this long to end.

    The whole Sonics situation may be just a ploy by Falk to FORCE the Rockets to use the exception and sign Mo ton a long-term deal which would guarantee that he gets the Money Falk promised him.

    I would say that the Rockets would only be willing to do a deal WITH the exception if it landed us a useful player like Magette.

    Otherwise, it´s the 2.25 mil exception and that´s why it´s taking so long.

    Perhaps Rudy and CD have other plans for the 4.5 exception or are just playing hardball to get a better bargain from the clips.

    But the exception for Taylor would be stupid.

    The kid has to prove himself before deserving the big bucks he wants.

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    I think I'd prefer a long term deal with Taylor instead of a 1 year deal. I'd hate for him to have a great year and then leave us and go sign with a different team next year.

    I'd rather use the trade exception to sign and trade for him this year so he counts only 4.5 mil. in cap space rather then sign him for 1 year and then next off season sign him to the max and have him count 9 mil. against the cap.

    4.5 million is still a bargain for Taylor in my opinion.

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    Thanos, I'm confused. You wouldn't pay Maurice 4.5/year because he averaged 17ppg, is a 6'9" PF, and is unproven. Corey, however is proven? [​IMG] He averaged 8ppg last year and is a 6'6" SF. We already have Shandon, but it was my understanding that he woyuld stay at SG because he gives up too much size to the SF's in our conference.

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  8. Dennis2112

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    Why?? [​IMG]

    He is better than what we have at the position and there are no other PFs available that would be better. If we do not use the trade exemption then it will expire and we get nothing. If MO comes here for 2 or 3 years at a decent price and plays his butt off then he will get his money. The kid is only 23 year old and has been floundering in clipperland for 3 years. He understands that in the big leagues, teams want results and that message was pounded home this off-season. Rudy and CD know what they are doing and I trust them. If they think Mo is worth the trade exemption then lets do it! [​IMG]



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  9. Thanos

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    Rocketsauce, you misunderstood me.

    I would use the exception to get BOTH Mo and Maggette.

    That way, the gamble on Mo would be a lot more attractive.

    I´m afraid that signing Mo outright to a long term deal may get us the same bad attitude he
    had with the clips, and we´d be stuck with him for years. There are a number of issues to be seen with Mo.

    If we sign him with the 4.5 we basically kill our free agency next year. I´m not willing to take that gamble unless Maggette was included, or even Nesby.


    I´m not saying "DON´T sign him for the exception if it´s the only way it can get done" but, i would prefer a deal tat would prove more valuable to us, moving Drew or Maybe KT and Walt, and getting a player that fits our needs better AND Mo.
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    Just to clarify:

    I am not a huge Rah! Rah! fan of Taylor. But I do like most of his game. I also know Mo will be no slug for us at the 4. He is talented. Any questions anyone has of his ability is probably centered on his below average defense and his perceived poor attitude. Falk states that both of these questionable areas can be explained by remembering where he played. A team that did not stress defense and was as porous as a greek sponge. A team that has more empty seats and the poorest team morale in the league. Maybe yes, maybe no. (Lawyers and agents rank just below worms, because at least you can catch fish with worms!) Would the Rockets be willing to bet they can get that talent out of him? Yep. They sure do!


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  11. Moe

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    OP,
    Thanks for your input. I think the Clipps could still use Drew. Do you think they would include another player with Taylor for Drew and the exception. Their roster is overloaded. They would still be able to reduce their roster by taking Drew and giving up Taylor plus one. I don't think they traded for Maggette just to move him to someone else. Who might they be willing to move?

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  12. Thanos

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    Bskball take on Mo´s situation:


    08/16-SEATTLE FIRST, HOUSTON SECOND- For Maurice Taylor
    this summer has been an awakening. He trusted in his agent that his
    value would stay up, while the Clippers everyday look smarter and
    smarter for not signing him to the maximum extension he and David
    Falk demanded. Taylor has done the tango with 6 different NBA teams
    this summer and now seems settled on two. The Sonics top his list,
    but the hold up there is Taylor wants to the Sonics to make a sign and
    trade deal with the Clippers, so he can get a reasonable contract and
    get the security he wants.. The other option, and according to Clippers
    sources may be the real option, is Maurice will sign a 1 year deal in
    Houston for their $2.25 million exception, under the promise of a
    bigger deal when the Rockets get under the cap next summer. The
    Sonics have been fishing for a number of deals with reports from
    Tacoma yesterday saying they were after Jahidi White from
    Washington, but Wizards source remind us that White can not be
    traded for 3 months now, and that even after 3 months the Wizards will
    not trade him. The Sonics have looked at Ike Austin, but came to their
    senses. There was also mention of Anthony Mason, and that's just
    silly-- Mase needs Riley to resurrect his image, and Riley needs guys
    that now his system. The Sonics have also talked about a 3 way
    through the Clippers where Ruben Patterson (a player they'd really
    like to keep) would be sent off in a deal to land Taylor in Seattle, but
    again the Clippers say they will not pick up any new contracts. Unless
    the Clippers change their tune, a deal through LA seems unlikely and
    almost improbable. The Rockets on the other hand do need another
    front court player, and with Hakeem ready to retire after this season,
    and the huge increase the salary cap is expected to take next summer.
    The Rockets could be in a great position to reward Taylor if he can be
    a great player in Houston. Either way for Houston its a win/win, if
    Taylor works out they can sign him for his worth, if not they can let
    him walk which may suit Taylor better as many teams will have
    caproom, and there are very few serious players in the next crop of
    Free Agents. Don't rule Seattle out just yet, because they are
    working, but the smart money say Mo Taylor will be a Rocket, and we
    could hear about it any day.

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    Sounds good enough for me.

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    Thanos-

    Do you have a URL for that?

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  15. Thanos

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    www.bskball.com

    We usually don´t post url´s for well known sites...

    that´s why i did not post it.

    have fun checking up on me. [​IMG]

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