Do you Agree? - Bomani Jones implies Steph Curry no superstar, 'best system player' ever

Curry was nowhere near the player he became under steve kerr with mark jackson. So the system player theory is correct by bomani

 

Curry's 2013-14 stats (Mark Jackson): 24 ppg (47% fg, 42.4% 3pt), 8.5 ast, 4.3 rb, 1.6 stl, 3.8 tov, and 36.5 mpg.

Curry's 2014-15 stats (Steve Kerr): 23.8 ppg (48.7% fg, 44.3% 3pt), 7.7 ast, 4.3 rb, 2 stl, 3.1 tov, and 32.7 mpg.

 

how many all-nba teams curry made before steve kerr became the coach.

 

He’s not a SF, he’s a PF/C. Why does his passing have to compare to a SF or any other position that he doesn’t play? Why not a PG comparison too? Green is a big that can defend 4 positions, pass the ball and make shots, even from distance.

I’m not overrating him. He’s a capable 20 ppg scorer in this league.

It’s a system designed around arguably the best shooting backcourt in history and without one of them it doesn’t work. Again, a superstar shouldn’t have to be in a specific system or have studs around him for the team to not be garbage. GS was expected to do nothing this season despite having a superstar player who wasn’t surrounded by crap. Let me know how many other players as regarded as Curry is that you can say that about? Expectations of being bad don’t occur with a superstar on your team.

Not with CP3 playing less than 60 games. Curry has shown that he can’t physically carry the burden on a nightly basis. No one was shocked to see him go down this year. He’s brittle.

 

So Iggy was the best player on the team. That's stupid. Everyone knows he was the best player on that team until Durant .

 

Every superstar has a style of play that maximizes his strengths and minimizes his weaknesses. Every smart GM will build a team that allows him to play that style. Every smart coach will design a "system" that allows him to play that style. If that makes him a "system" player, then yeah every superstar is a system player.

The real important question is, is that style conducive to winning championships?

 

He's the size of most SG/SFs. So offensively, any ball-handling SF should be able to provide what Draymond Green provides. And Draymond Green isn't a very good shooter.

Green's defense is what made him special, and he's clearly regressed in that department.

20 ppg on 19 shots and 4 fts isn't impressive.

You earlier said that if you paired Russell with any superstar, that team should be fine. This depends on your definition of "superstar". Who do you consider to be a current superstar?

Disagree. Klay Thompson can be replaced. Curry can't.

What you're failing to consider is the strength of the Western Conference.

Look at the rosters of some of the lower-seeded teams:

Portland (29-37): Lillard, McCollum, Whiteside, Carmelo Anthony, Ariza
New Orleans (29-37): Brandon Ingram, Jrue Holiday, Lonzo Ball, JJ Redick, Derrick Favors, Zion Williamson
Sacramento (28-36): DeAaron Fox, Harrison Barnes, Buddy Hield, Bogdan Bogdanovic
San Antonio (27-36): DeMar DeRozan, Lamarcus Aldridge, Dejounte Murray, Rudy Gay
Phoenix (26-39): Devin Booker, Ricky Rubio, Kelly Oubre, Deandre Ayton

Do the Warriors have a better supporting cast than any of these teams? Keep in mind that most of these teams have veteran benches while the Warriors' bench is inexperienced. And these are just the lower-seeded teams.

You can't assume that they'd get injured. In any case, it's irrelevant. We're talking about how players mesh. On paper, CP3/Curry is more formidable than CP3/Harden.

 

I can't hear you over the sound of the moving goalposts.

But to answer your question, Monta Ellis left GSW after the 2012 season. 2013 was Curry's first year as leader of the GSW, and he was named to the all-nba 2nd team in 2014. Steve Kerr became coach in 2015.

 

so what you are saying is curry couldn’t be curry with monta ellis as his teammate. Gotcha

 

Steph is unquestionably the greatest shooter of all time and an all-NBA caliber player year in and year out. His two MVP years were deserved and he has been a top 5 player in the league for several seasons.

That being said, he is a bit overrated by some. He has benefited from great teammates during his prime. He has personally had many playoff failures that have been covered up by his teammates. Harden has not had that benefit. The fact that Steph has not won a Finals MVP is pretty telling. There is a big double standard with him and Harden in the media.

 

It says that Curry wasn't a media favorite in 2015. He absolutely deserved the FMVP. Look at his stats. Look at his on/off numbers.

For him to not have received a single vote is a joke. It's right up there with Russell Westbrook's MVP.

 

Yep. Just like Nash couldn't be Nash until he joined Phoenix.

 

Is Bomani Jones a relative of @Batman Jones ?

 

Green is not a SF. He is a PF and small ball C. Rodman is SF size too per his height. Green is a all-star, all nba, DPOY player.

The ability to consistently score 20 ppg in this league is impressive. He shoots around 43% and 37% from behind the arc...similar %'s as Harden. His scoring was impressive enough for him to get a max contract once he hit FA.

I said if you paired Green and Russell with any superstar that team should be fine. I wasn't referring to winning a title. The team should not suck. I consider a superstar a player that can drag crap to the playoffs. I think LeBron, Giannas, Kawhi, Harden and Durant would be fine no matter what team they were on.

Curry is replacable. All of the players I mentioned above get rings with GS if you swap them for Curry. I don't think any of those teams advance as far as they did with Curry there instead of them.

I'm not. The 8th seed doesn't even have a winning record this season.

You don't need a great supporting cast to make the playoffs if you have a superstar on the roster. Any Rockets fan should know this. You saw Dream drag teams to the playoffs literally every season. You saw Harden get us there from jump with the likes of Lin and Parsons. You saw him get us there with significant injuries to the team when he first led us to the WCF's.

You can assume players will get injured, which is why we got rid of CP3. On paper, we know odds are Harden will be there every night and that doesn't hold true for Curry. He has a smaller frame and weak ankles. He can't handle the burden you typically see a superstar have to carry. With that being said, you can arguably say the same about Kawhi for the games he misses.

 

I know Green is a PF. I'm saying that offensively, his production can be replicated by most ball-handling SF's. Offensively, he's replaceable. Green's defense is what made him special, and he's clearly regressed in that department.

Disagree. That's illogical. Look at the 2015 supporting cast. Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, Harrison Barnes, Andrew Bogut, Iguodala, and Livingston. That team relied heavily on Curry's shooting and off-ball movement.

By virtue of both Curry/Thompson being able to play off-ball, Draymond Green was afforded a role in the offense. If you swap Curry with any of those guys you listed, Draymond Green would become an offensive liability. But more than that, none of those guys move much off-ball. So that'd negatively impact Klay Thompson as well.

You're significantly underrating what Curry brought to the table in 2015.

That doesn't change the fact that Curry's supporting cast was one of the weakest in the conference.

Olajuwon missed the playoffs in 1992. But in any case, we're talking about Olajuwon. He's one of the top 10 GOAT and one of greatest 2-way players of all time. That's not exactly a fair bar to set.

Curry is a ceiling raiser. Harden is a floor raiser. That doesn't mean Curry isn't a superstar. If that's what you think, you need to re-evaluate what it means to be a "superstar". If a 2-time MVP, 3 time champion, and the greatest shooter of all time isn't a "superstar", then the metric is broken.

Not when you're talking about hypothetical roster changes. And we got rid of CP3 b/c of his conflicts with Harden.

Curry missed most of this season because of a broken hand. It was an unpredictable injury.

 

Again, Green is a all-star, all nba, DPOY player.

It's not. They just would have a different offensive system. Every player I mentioned would ring with a shooter like Klay and defenders like Green, Barnes, Iggy, etc. You may want to go look up the rosters those players actually played on. LeBron took that team, with Curry, to 6 games with the likes of Deladova.

Green isn't an offensive liability. LeBron won a title with Thompson next to him. Harden got to the conf fnals with Howard. Etc.

You're significantly underrating the rest of the 2015 roster, in the same manner that you are discounting a team with Green and Russell on the roster.

It wasn't. He had two max making all star type players next to him, with one being an all-nba player.

We missed the playoffs, by one game, because he missed 12 games. He routinely carried garbage to the playoffs. Steph is mentioned in rarified air. ESPM just ranked Curry one spot behind Dream in their all-time rankings.

If that 2-time MVP and 3 time champion (that had to recruit Durant to get two of those) can't be counted on to carry a team that isn't loaded then he isn't a superstar.

We got rid of CP3 because he was injury prone with a fat contract.

Curry is brittle and when he got injured again no one was surprised. Nothing in his history suggests he can hold up to the nightly pounding that say....Harden takes every year.

 

Bomani Jones is an Autistic crAck heAd from Brooklyn.

He only gets attention after making irrevellent comments regarding nonconsequential basketball matters.

 

How much of that would he have achieved on a different team? We saw how underwhelming he looked last year when he wasn't surrounded by elite shooters.

It went 6 games because Klay Thompson and Draymond Green underperformed. Curry (and to a lesser extent Iguodala) carried the offense.

Green is absolutely an offensive liability. Thompson and Howard have size. If they get the ball around the rim, they're likely to score. You can't say the same about Green.

You're continually making the same logic mistake. You can't assume they'd be all-stars/all-nba players without Curry. You can make an argument for Klay (if he were on a winning team), but Draymond Green is a tough sell.

I was simply pointing out your error.

He carried the 2015 Warriors in the finals. Look at the stats for the Warriors' 4 wins. It's pretty clear.

And Durant could've gone anywhere he wanted. He went to the Warriors b/c he had the best chance of winning there.

In my opinion, we got rid of CP3 because he had personality conflicts with Harden. It's no surprise. The only reason he came here in the first place was because we offered him a super-max contract.

Do you mean "except for the 5 consecutive years where he played almost a full season?"

When you think about "superstars", do you take into account if other stars are willing to play with them?

Everyone wants to play with Lebron. Everyone wants to play with Curry. Durant and Harden are supposedly best friends yet Durant chose to play with Curry.

 

Tell bomani Jones to put some bAss in his voice.

Bomani Jones ain't no bArAtone At ESPN.

 

well yes. wouldnt he gotta finals mvp if he had...im be silly. but at the same tine are we gonna brush over the fact klove and kyrie was hurt‍♂️ its too many holes in curry resume when you did in. so without durant he has only one ring.. without kyrie n love being hurt ne doesnt have any