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[CJ] Is Hamilton Next?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Jul 2, 2020.

  1. Os Trigonum

    Os Trigonum Contributing Member
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    I had to look up the definition, yes--wasn't familiar with it
     
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    Watch Hamilton next time with the subtitles on and you'll quickly realize how much Lin Manuel tried to cram into this show from a historical perspective. He admits he couldn't get it all, and I never really saw the show as a glorification of the founding fathers. There's alot of tongue in cheek about the show too. One of the opening lines in his intro song is kind of a dig at the "pull up your bootstraps" mentality of Americans.

    I think my biggest criticism of Hamilton is that it's not very deeply personal in many ways. His relationships both romantic and friendship wise are not hugely compelling even though the characters of the Schyler sisters are a highlight of the show in many ways. If you want to see a more personal story by Lin Manuel go watch In the Heights which feels like a story that has more of a heart to it. Hamilton is still incredible, and a very fun watch. Almost every Broadway show has parts in the middle and towards the end where the audience can drift a bit. The great thing about this show is Lin Manuel's touch with modern music to pull a show back into interest musically at the very least in those parts of a show where it would normally drift off.

    Overall the folks wanting to get attention by "Cancel Culturing" Hamilton will have a tough time breaking through on this one.
     
  3. Os Trigonum

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    "‘Hamilton’ Is The Perfect Answer To The 1619 Project’s Attempt To Erase America":

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/0...o-the-1619-projects-attempt-to-erase-america/

    excerpt:

    Lin-Manuel Miranda is right: we have no control over who tells our story. Those telling Washington’s story today tell it devoid of context, nuance, or grace. To them, he was solely an enslaver. He must be cancelled.

    In Hamilton’s last song, however, he calls America a great unfinished symphony. Most Americans today agree that America is still yet to be perfected. We still endure repercussions from America’s original sins: slavery and segregation. Yet finishing or repairing a masterpiece is completely different than claiming that a thing was never a masterpiece and now deserves destruction. The two different approaches cannot be reconciled.​

    more at the link
     
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    lol

     
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    ?

    Are you drunk posting today.
     
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    no, I am simply a great admirer of the threads you create. The Chris O'Dowd thread is sheer brilliance.
     
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    You of all people judging the creation of a thread?

    Really dude?

    What was your issue with that thread?

    I thought those celebrities needed to be called out and was glad O'Dowd said it.
     
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    Nope

    Drops mic, lick tears
     
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    I appreciate the inconsistencies with how we grew up to worship the FF and how they're approached in the current environment.

    I think it's a waste of energy and a grasp for digital power that's becoming more corrosive than beneficial.

    It's a musical ffs.
     
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    Strange Threads, too.
     
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    What the hell does that have to do with anything?

    So just because somebody is writing clickbait articles and searching for some liberal cred that means something to you.

    Who is complaining about Hamilton casting?
     
  15. Os Trigonum

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    lol. you haven't been reading any of these things, have you?
     
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    I have read most of them and they all seem to complaining about exalting the white fore fathers.

    So now the issue is with casting?

    You are all over the place, starving for attention.
     
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    probably the most reputable of all the pieces linked in this thread, the original essay in Public Historian by Lyra Monteiro (which she followed up on this week in a second essay):

     
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    Monteiro's followup:

     
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    do a search for "casting" in this thread and you will get twenty different posts
     
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    How is that the most reputable?

    Why is she reputable?

    She is a academic who has her own opinion and is not immune from posting stuff to get cred.

    Which is my point and if you are complaining about casting nobody should take you seriously.

    Her follow up really makes no sense, her whole issue seems to be that she was attacked on twitter.

    What exactly is your point on this?
     

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