What laws should be passed in wake of riots and police brutality across the nation?

Outlaw conservatism.

These thugs have done enough damage.

 

Yep. I was just coming here to post this.

My own opinion is that LE is held to a different standard is if not the root of the problem a large part of the problem. A civilian facing a grand jury isn't allowed to testify or provide exculpatory evidence yet we see that LEO are allowed that privilege. That is so why it's hard to even get an indictment. Also the standard of self-defense for LE isn't the same as a civilian. That is why in a case like Philando Castile most people see that as unreasonable he was acquitted because the standard isn't the same.

 

Bro, that's not looting it's civil asset forfeiture.

 

Racists have been doing this since the beginning of time. They slither and find ways to be racist with enough guise to get out of it if need be. Trump is likely the breaking point of this period of racism.

We'll abolish slavery but we're gonna have segregation.

We'll abolish segregation but we're gonna have systemic oppression.

We'll abolish systemic oppression but....

 

The Police Force must find a way to screen out bad cops - if I was a large business owner and I discovered bad employees who were abusing my customers, their ass would be out on the street.
Otoh, these ugly protests are doing their cause no favours.
Detroying property of those who may have been sympathetic to your cause is bass ackwards. These type of protests open the door for vandals and thieves and hurts your cause more than helping.

 

https://8cantwait.org/



Policy 1: Ban chokeholds and strangleholds

Allowing officers to choke or strangle civilians, in many cases where less lethal force could be used instead, results in the unnecessary death or serious injury of civilians.

Policy 2: Require de-escalation

Require officers to de-escalate situations, where possible, by communicating with subjects, maintaining distance, and otherwise eliminating the need to use force.

Policy 3: Require warning before shooting

Require officers to give a verbal warning, when possible, before shooting at a civilian

Policy 4: Exhaust all alternatives before shooting

Require officers to exhaust all other reasonable means before resorting to deadly force.

Policy 5: Duty to intervene

THIS is super important to me, as humans we must stand up for what is right, even if it puts us in a difficult situation with our colleagues: Require officers to intervene and stop excessive force used by other officers and report these incidents immediately to a supervisor.

Policy 6: Ban shooting at moving vehicles

Restrict officers from shooting at moving vehicles, which is regarded as a particularly dangerous and ineffective tactic.

Policy 7: Establish use of force continuum

Develop a Force Continuum that limits the types of force and/or weapons that can be used to respond to specific types of resistance.

Policy 8: Require all force be reported

HOLD YOURSELF ACCOUNTABLE: Require officers to report each time they use force or threaten to use force against civilians.

 

It may very well be the case that less restrictive = safer officers, but lake all good data junkies, we know that correlation does not equal causation. You could make the argument that it's the other way around...officers operating in more dangerous areas of the country has less restrictive methods out of necessity. Not all beats are created the same.

Does this data take into account the violent crime rates of the areas?

 

But wait Shaun King said he did nothing on Police reforms.

 

How about outlaw democrats? Almost all of these issues happen in areas of the country with iron clad Democratic leadership from the police chief, DA, Mayor, Representatives, and often Governors...and they've had it for 50 years.

 

Tucker catalogs all 10 killings of unarmed blacks by cops in 2019

 

So I was duped*, shared it and duped you. My apologies.
*and didn't look deeper, thought it sounded good & shared.



#8cantwait is Based on Faulty Data Science

 

Some of this is 'crazy'.
So we go from one far end of the spectrum to the complete opposite?
Like there's no in between?



https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/ep4xy7/what-does-defund-and-abolish-the-police-mean

https://www.8toabolition.com/

Spoiler

1. Defund the police

Reject any proposed expansion to police budgets.

Prohibit private-public innovation schemes that profit from temporary technological fixes to systemic problems of police abuse and violence. These contracts and data-sharing arrangements, however profitable for technologists and reformists, are lethal.

Reduce the power of police unions.

Until the police are fully defunded, make police union contract negotiations public.

Pressure the AFL-CIO to denounce police unions.

Prohibit city candidates taking money from police unions and stop accepting union funds.

Withhold pensions and don’t rehire cops involved in use of excessive force.

Demand the highest budget cuts per year, until they slash police budget to zero.

Slash police salaries across the board until they are zeroed out.

Immediately fire police officers who have any excessive force complaints.

No hiring of new officers or replacement of fired or resigned officers.

Fully cut funding for public relations.

Suspend the use of paid administrative leave for cops under investigation.

Require police, not cities, to be liable for misconduct and violence settlements.

Deplatform white supremacist public officials.

Abolish asset forfeiture programs and laws.

2. Demilitarize Communities

Disarm law enforcement officers, including the police and private security.

End the militarization of Black and brown neighborhoods by ending broken windows policing, “precision policing,” community policing, and all iterations of quality of life policing programs (neighborhood policing, “gang” policing, “repeat-offender” policing, etc).

Remove cops from hospitals.

Prohibit law enforcement access to private patient information.

Acknowledge that surveillance technologies (CCTV, face printing, DNA and biometric databases, acoustic gunshot detection, drones, AI and risk profiling algorithms, and other forms of predictive policing) are weapons in the hands of law enforcement. End police contracts with any private companies that provide these services and prohibit the experimental design and rollout of in-house systems.

Withdraw participation in police militarization programs and refuse federal grants that entangle municipal police entities with the Department of Homeland Security, the Joint Terrorism Task Force, and FBI.

Prohibit training exchanges between U.S. law enforcement and global military and policing entities. These relationships circulate deadly techniques and technologies, exporting the American model of racist policing worldwide.

Repeal all laws that hide, excuse, or enable police misconduct.

3. Remove Police From Schools

Remove police, both public and private, from all schools.

Call on universities to dissolve relationships with police departments.

Prohibit police departments from using city contracts with universities to do IRB-exempt data analysis, geographic and community profiling, human-computer amelioration studies, and predictive analytics. Instead, divert funds to public service-related studies and community collaborations.

Remove surveillance tech and metal detectors from all schools.

Disconnect property taxes from school funding.

End school zero-tolerance disciplinary policies.

End the use of carceral-lite punishment of students, including suspensions and expulsions, that disproportionately target Black and brown students, especially Black girls.

Urge states to repeal truancy laws.

Prohibit the surveillance of Black and brown students by their teachers, counselors, and school officials through programs that criminalize students and exploit relationships of trust with school officials, including Countering Violent Extremism/Targeted Violence and Terrorism Prevention.

4. Free People From Prisons And Jails

Free all people from involuntary confinement, including but not limited to jails, prisons, immigrant detention centers, psychiatric wards, and nursing homes, starting with those who are aging, disabled, immunocompromised, held on bail, held for parole violations, and survivors.

Permanently close local jails.

Grant clemency to criminalized survivors.

Pressure state legislatures to end mandatory arrest and failure to protect laws that lead to the criminalization of survivors of gendered violence.

Reject “alternatives to incarceration” that are carceral in nature, including problem-solving courts and electronic monitoring and coercive restorative justice programs.

Reduce jail churn by reducing arrests.

Cut funding to prosecutor offices.

End pre-trial detention.

End civil commitment.

Release all people held pre-trial and on parole violations.

Make all communication to and from prisoners free.

End immigration detention, end family separation, and let our undocumented community members come home.

End data and resource sharing with ICE.

5. Repeal Laws That Criminalize Survival

Repeal local ordinances that criminalize people involved in the sex trades, drug trades, and street economies.

Call on Mayors to grant clemencies to criminalized survivors of violence.

Repeal local ordinances that criminalize the occupation of public spaces—particularly for people experiencing homelessness—under statutes against loitering, loitering for the purposes of sex work, fare beating, panhandling, soliciting, camping, sleeping, and public urination and defecation.

Refuse to deploy police when they are contacted in relation to the above.

Repeal statutes that criminalize survivors of gendered violence, including mandatory arrest and failure to protect laws.

Call on Mayors to grant clemencies to criminalized survivors of violence.

On the road to complete decriminalization, immediately decriminalize all misdemeanor offenses, which currently account for 80% of total court dockets.

End all fines and fees associated with the criminal legal process, including ticketing, cash bail, court costs, and parole and probation fees.

6. Invest In Community Self-Governance

Promote neighborhood councils as representative bodies within municipal decision making.

Invest in multilingual resources for immigrant and asylum-seeking communities.

Assess community needs and invest in community-based resources, including groups from tenant unions to local shop-owners and street vendors, prioritizing those from marginalized groups.

Invest in community-based public safety approaches, including non-carceral violence prevention and intervention programs and skills-based education on bystander intervention, consent and boundaries, and healthy relationships.

7. Provide Safe Housing For Everyone

Cancel rent without burden of repayment during COVID-19.

Repurpose empty buildings, houses, apartments, and hotels to house people experiencing homelessness.

Prohibit evictions.

Remove cops from all re-entry and shelter institutions.

Provide unequivocal support and resources to refugee and asylum seeking communities.

Allow Community Benefits Agreements to be a community governed means of urban planning. Make public housing accessible to everyone, repealing discriminatory laws barring people from accessing resources based on income, race, gender, sexuality, immigration status, or history of incarceration.

Support and promote the existence of community land trusts for Black and historically displaced communities.

Ensure that survivors of gendered violence have access to alternative housing options in the event that their primary housing becomes unsafe.

Provide non-coercive housing options for young people experiencing abuse or family rejection of their queer or trans identities.

8. Invest In Care Not Cops

Allocate city funding towards healthcare infrastructure (including non-coercive mental healthcare), wellness resources, neighborhood based trauma centers, non-coercive drug and alcohol treatment programming, peer support networks, and training for healthcare professionals. Make these services available for free to low-income residents. Adopt a care not cops model.

Invest in teachers and counselors, universal childcare, and support for all family structures.

Free and accessible public transit.

End the use of property taxes to determine school funding.

Install safe and sanitary gender-inclusive public restrooms.

Ensure investment in community-based food banks, grocery cooperatives, gardens, and farms.

Ensure free, and more extensive, public transport, especially servicing marginalized and lower-income communities.

Invest in youth programs that promote learning, safety, and community care.

 

I'm going to say something that a lot of people will probably disagree with me on.

I don't think we should completely outlaw chokeholds for LE. Particularly the technique that Chauvin used on Floyd which he did improperly and when used properly isn't a chokehold. As many have noted "chokeholds" are somewhat of a misnomer as they aren't actually what most laypeople think of as a choke. When done properly they don't cut off the air supply but the blood supply to the brain. That does carry a lot of risks and I've stated in the Eric Garner case and in this case and in both those cases I've pointed out that the technique was put on excessively. I've also stated that cutting off the blood supply to the brain and pressure on the neck and upper spinal column can cause a lot of stress that could trigger a heart attack or some other condition that can lead to death. The problem though is that any technique done to physically control a person carries risk.

If chokeholds as a class are outlawed the other alternative is joint locks or other type of pain / stress positions. These could lead to a rash of dislocations and other joint injuries and also other positions that could also cause heart attacks. For example I've heard people both in Martial Arts and law enforcement say that moving the knee down to the shoulder blades of Floyd might've saved his life. That is certainly possible but putting your knee between someone shoulder blades while face down is a control position you end up compressing their chest even more making it difficult to breathe while also putting pressure on the heart. While it is less dangerous than the neck doesn't mean it is completely safe and certainly keeping that type of pressure on for 8 minutes will be even more risky.

I think rather than looking at specific techniques we need to look at better training including restraint on using force in general. LE should be trained in a wide variety of techniques along with judgment on when and where to use those techniques.

 

https://reason.com/2020/06/23/what-the-data-do-and-dont-say-about-policing-and-race/

 

Thanks much. I'm going to dig into many of the links shared in that column.

I keep wondering if there's kind of an input/output way to look at things. It's definitely true that L.E. starts more encounters with people of color. We know that strongly by the data and by anecdotal evidence.

Looking at the racial stats on what happens in officer-citizen encounters alone might miss the input part of the problem: you are just more likely to be placed in such an encounter if you have dark skin.

 

$700K seems too low to me.



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