What would you choose: 5 terms (20 yrs) of Dubya or 1 term (4 yrs) of Trump?

Who gives a ****

Financial ruin

Iraq

Those are tangible disasters

Everyone has lost perspective

 

W still doesn't think Iraq was a mistake because he still believes God told him to do it. Katrina was all about putting incompetent in important positions.

You think the response to Corona is bad under this guy?

 

Bush was bad, but not catastrophically bad like Trump

 

**** his family
He left a dam near Great Depression and he went into Iraq

Trump hasn't come near that. Before labeling me a Trump supporter, tell me what he has done so badly that it needs a trillion dollar bailout.

 

Everyone is talking about Trump's rhetoric. Who cares? Talk about tangible

What has he done that is more damaging than Iraq and The Great Recession

Katrina isn't in his top 3>

 

Given those two choices, I would rather ... Have an Axe in my Head.

 

Wars are scripted and it's what built this nation. They are essential to sustain Americas financial hunger and restocking the sources.
You are brainwashed if you ever thought we were fighting for freedom.

Presidents are like NBA coaches, you are told what system to run. Something goes wrong they are the fall guy.

 

I agree they were tangible disasters and I wanted Bush impeached (for violating civil liberties with warrantless phone taps) and tried for war crimes.

But Trump is evidence that no matter how bad things get, they can always get worse. We have never had a president that is such an existential threat to the future of our nation.

And if he is president for 4 more years, I think we will have a Civil War and, likely, a race war. And that's just for starters.

 

disagree. his predecessor was a greater threat. Trump at least has an adversarial press, and substantial checks on his actions. Obama had neither, and used that absence to lever the treasury and justice departments against his political opponents, and individual americans, is ways previous presidents, and Trump himself, would be embarrassed to even conjure.

Trump will pass. Obama may not have been the worst president, but he was certainly the most dangerous to the republic.

 

I mean a lot of the USAs foreign policy issues can be led back to the Iraq War.
And the Recession of 2008 was catastrophic for the the USA and the world.

Frankly Bush was a terrible leader. USA won't recover from 20 years of Bush leadership imo.

What he didn't do was undermine and threaten USA's institutions. But still 20 years of Bush is worse.

 

Explain to who and how he did this. Lies like the one you told are the issue.

Trump makes up so many lies with no evidence that the MSM has to apparently report on(they shouldn't) to be fair and balanced. That's the true threat to democracy.

 

It is true he was compared to Hitler and called a racist. All true and for good reason. Despite the biggest protests in the history of the world at the time, he invented fake rationale to attack a sovereign nation and has the blood of hundreds of thousands of people on his hands. He also created the Guantanamo Bay prison, a legal nowhere land where prisoners were tortured. He also created the Abu Ghraib fiasco where people were tortured, waterboarded, electrocuted, and only god knows what the hell else. He spent trillions of dollars on a Chevy Chase Vacation like fiasco through Iraq and then once claimed he wasn't that concerned about Bin Laden. He also stood with the head of FEMA, an incompetent and unqualified political appointee (sound familiar?) while people were dying in and out of the Superdome waiting for water for five days and told the world that "Brownie you're doing a heck of a job". Bush was an incompetent disaster and a slime ball no matter how many of you bozos wanted to party with him.

This was all before White Lives Matter though so I guess Bush gets points for not going quite that far tone deaf. Then again, Bush was the impetus for the outlawing of gay marriage around the country to draw out his bigoted supporters to gain re-election over the swift boated John Kerry, an actual Vietnam veteran who volunteered to go to war while baby Bush was running around getting drunk.

Oh, he also squandered the entire budget surplus on tax cuts and presided over a catastrophic economy. Sound familiar?

 

This the one of the main reasons for my vote, especially in comparison to Trump.

A narcissist is incapable of empathy, and that is possibly the most dangerous quality a president could have.

Bush's presidency was catastrophic on numerous levels, but he wasn't without the capacity for empathy. And that single quality touches every single thing either president has done and, in the scenario posed by the poll, would do.

To wit, this article on how much time Trump has spent in coronavirus briefings on attacks, self-congratulation, and empathy for the victims. It's not pretty. And try to imagine Bush doing the same thing. You can't.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/t...minutes-of-condolences-for-victims-2020-04-27

 

Yeah, Bush has several trillion dollar disasters that would sink one presidency. We thought the margin for error would be less for future presidents, but now we're outright cheating and gaming the financial system.

Money the public never thought existed magically appears for the rich and wealthy...

Get rid of Cheney and maybe Bush would have to wise up on the multiple choice quizzes.

Trump is a toxic mother****er with a laundry list of sociopathic illnesses though. We don't have a president that can preach decency, and this is where we're at.

Cons used to preach decency. I guess shrill lib shaming got rid of that...yeah, that's the real reason.

 

Its just raw emotion towards Trump being a divisive idiot who's making a mockery of the country. It probably also has to due with twitter/social media becoming so intertwined with politics, and how Trump has totally capitalized on that, people feel like they can't fun away from the r****dedness of Trump and his MAGA supporters, which really stresses people out.

Make no mistake, policy-wise the Bush cabinet at it's very best was every bit as bad policy-wise as Trumps cabinet, and it can easily be argued that it was significantly worse.

4 years of holy **** bad vs 20 years of holy **** bad isn't a question.

 

Bush made mistakes with Iraq and had a bad first 4 years in office.

But he did a solid job is last 2. His handling of the fiscal credit doesn't get a lot of credit - he trusted the right people and that's not a small thing. He worked closely with Obama to ensure that the country avoided a great depression. A lot of people in congress were against TARP and the bailout but Bush helped persuade people.

I am not saying Bush was a great president, he wasn't, but he did do some things right and I can acknowledge that. He also respected the constitution and didn't do what Trump is doing.

 

I mean a fiscal crisis he was a huge reason for. (amongst many other reasons admittedly). Bush removed a lot of regulations that led to the crisis.

I honestly don't believe Bush had a strong economic philosophy or a desire to learn and let his very partisan advisors run the policy.

When it became obvious the policy was a failure he had to pretty much leave Republican policy and align with the Democrats vs the Republicans to make sure the USA didn't go into a deep recession.

 

His last two years had the following events:

1. Dems win the House and the Senate
2. Rumsfeld resigns
3. Karl Rove leaves the White House
4. Alberto Gonzalez resigns
5. Condoleeza Rice takes over foreign policy from Rumsfeld and Cheney

Basically the cabinet purge (because of Iraq and other things like torture/survieillance was so unpopular at this point) and the Dems winning a historical election forced the Bush administration to put some smarter people in charge of things. Also the Dems winning Congress helped stop the original version of TARP which was a really awful piece of legislation that was basically a slush fund for Hank Paulson.

 

Bush wasn’t the sharpest tool, but he was at least literate. Trump is a complete joke. It’ll be interesting how we look back on these 4 years.

 

Sorry but you are wrong on this one - the Dems in the House voted to pass TARP by a wide margin on the first go - it was Republicans who voted it down. The bill was packaged with some tax cuts to get Republicans onboard and it was given another name to make it more likeable by the public. Yes oversight was added but it was passed intact by the senate and then the house.

Yes Bush did have a hand in the crisis but honestly Clinton had a major hand in deregulation as well. Not only did he dump Glass-Steagall, he more importantly allowed banks to self-regulate derivatives including CDO's which were directly responsible for making the financial crisis a disaster. Carter and Reagan also had passed banking deregulation.

It's convenient to blame Bush for all this and he's not free from blame, but the financial crisis was decades in the making, not years.