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[Graphic: Death shown] I found a genuine reason for armed protests.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by fchowd0311, May 26, 2020.

  1. Mr.Scarface

    Mr.Scarface Member

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    Am I surprised people rioted? No. This is a Rodney King moment for a new generation of people. That may have been the first video to show blatant police brutality. The riots after the cops were let off the hook was pent up frustration exploding.
    What happening now is the rage building since Trayvon Martin thru what happened in Georgia. Open season on Black men by anyone who claims that a black man is a threat. There is no valve in black lives by many whites/authorities. If there was, this **** would have stopped years ago.
     
  2. Corrosion

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    Sometimes "peaceful protest" doesn't get the point across .... in this case , obviously it hasn't because we continue to see police take the lives of unarmed / non-combatant citizens - 400 this year according to the Washington Post database - Link. This has some interesting statistical breakdowns - age , race , state , armed / unarmed , mental health issues for every police related killing since 2015.
    We've been peacefully going about "protesting" these acts for years and the only thing we get is more of the same - cops killing people and getting away with it. Sometimes it takes violence to effect change .... That doesn't make it right but necessary none the less.

    To me this isn't a racial issue either - Of those 400 citizens killed by cop so far in 2020 , 143 were white and 73 black. Bottom line here is we all bleed red .... while the media only seems to play the situation up when its a person of color to stimulate race issues which takes away from the real issue - police killing people. We've seen a dozen or more of these incidents on the news related to people of color .... not a peep about any of those 143 cases involving whites. This is their way of division , keeping the race issue front and center rather than uniting a society behind the cause.


    I really cannot comprehend what makes man capable of such cruelty .... but we need to do a better job of screening our police for the traits that incline them to do **** like this. These are flat out personality flaws .... no two ways about it.
     
  3. ThatBoyNick

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    Almost but no, there is racial charge behind these killings as well, not that there aren't people of any color being wrongfully murdered, not that those deaths aren't equally as tragic, but blacks at a disproportionate rate, which is a problem within the problem.

    143 white and 73 black is actually awful considering 72% of the country is white and only 12% black. If those numbers where representative correctly to our demographics it would be 73 black and 438 white. Or 143 white and 23 black. A multiple of 6x, not 1.97x
     
  4. Corrosion

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    Not arguing that blacks aren't the victim a disproportionate amount.

    What I am arguing is that .... blacks alone aren't going to solve this - its gonna require unity.
     
  5. ThatBoyNick

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    For sure on that.
     
  6. Aleron

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    A carotid artery choke is designed to incapacitate and/or kill a person, that he held him there so long was like watching someone go "shouldn't he be dead already", he likely only survived as long as he did because the other side of his neck was free from the curb (the neck on the other side is pushing out allowing minimal blood flow, the whole thing is compressed hence the "i cant breathe").

    Whether they can prove its murder, rather than say manslaughter, not a clue, but watching the particular way he was pinned, i'm about as close as i can get from just the information we have to believe it was deliberate.
     
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  7. Two Sandwiches

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    This is the problem. A business owner has a right to defend their livelihood, imo. You loot, you pay the price...
     
  8. Aleron

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    Ex military should never really be police, has nothing to do with what they believe, the issue is that they were conditioned to perceive the other as a threat (and the military is really good at it), and a civil police officer needs to believe the other is us
     
  9. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Black murder statistics are fake?

    Police kill double the amount of white people than black every year. This does not invalidate crime statistics. Stop
     
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  10. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Justifying looting is stupid. Stop it. All those people want is a free tv
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    They have been fired and likely will be charged. Regardless there is no justification for looting.
     
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  12. pgabriel

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    People keep bringing up Eric Garner. Garner forced the cop's hands by giving a soliloquy when asked to move. When they go to put the cuffs on he starts waving his hands. Regardless they didn't have their hands on him for a full minute. You can't choke someone in less than a minute.

    This guy was choked to death and its disturbing the cop is that stupid to begin with. I'm sure race plays a factor but it's just as much about ego. Everyone is telling him the guy can't breathe and he just digs in to assert his authority.
     
  13. Reeko

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    the looting and destruction is stupid...u are causing people to lose jobs and sources of income

    Will those stores stay in the area after this? Doubt it

    the officers were fired immediately, and will likely get charged with murder...I don’t get why Chauvin isn’t at least arrested yet tho

    if it was an Arbery in Brunswick type of situation where the cops are let go and not arrested for 2 months while they try to cover everything up, or the officers are still found not guilty after doing something like this on camera, then that would be 1 thing
     
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  14. NewRoxFan

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    We, as a society, have so much further to go...


     
  15. Aleron

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    If the goal is to cut off air supply, no you cant choke them that quickly, if the goal is to cut off blood supply (to the brain), 30s is more than enough.
     
  16. fchowd0311

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    No one is saying there is a justification.

    There is a difference between "justification" and "consequences". In those 400 years, slavery wasn't the only issue. Redlining, Jim Crow, lynching, police brutality, black farm lands stolen, black schools receiving as little as 5% of the funding as their local white counterpart schools during legalized segregation, rhetoric stating that black people are dumb and more prone to violence. These were things that were common and systemic for 400 years and this is the consequence of that.

    You can make normative statements that someone ought to not riot. It's a great message to tell an individual you know to not riot. However we are making a macro claim about an entire population pool and how they got there. You are making a normative claim while we just explaining the results of 400 years of actions and choices made.

    Obviously looting is wrong.
     
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    It was a good run America. Our time has come.
     
  18. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Those looters didn't even experience Jom Crow


    Stop with the 400 years card. They want free ****
     
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  19. fchowd0311

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    Many of those looters are the modern consequences of 400 years of actions. That's the nature of causality. It's a universal feature of our universe. 400 years of actions towards one group of people had cascading effects. This should be obvious to you.

    Anyways. It's obvious we have very different philosophies. I don't think humans have much free will. Our actions and behaviors are nothing more than a consequence of our environment we were raised in and the experiences we have encountered. An example would be our current president. His excessive narcissism and lack of intellectual curiosity is due to how he was pampered throughout his life since childbirth where no one ever told him "no". I would say any human would be like Trump if they experienced Trump's life.
     
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  20. cml750

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    There should be near universal agreement on this one. The cop should be charged with murder.
     

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