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2019 Hong Kong Protest

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Amiga, Aug 12, 2019.

  1. adoo

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    since time immemorial, the Phillipines had been posturing to its SEA counterparts as if it was the 51 st state of the US.

    they're envious that HK is being treated like the 51st state of the USA. hell, as compared to Washington and Michigan and, to a lesser extent, California and NY state,
    the orange hair, a consumer of Hydroxychloroquine, kinda rolled out the red carpet to HK
     
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  2. geeimsobored

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    Correct, when the 50 years are done, the Chinese government can assume direct control of Hong Kong. And you are correct that their goal is to influence future generations.

    If you look at Macau (which also is under the same One Country Two Systems policy), the CCP has already done this. The Macau government rubber stamps anything that the CCP wants. The government has been purging the court system of pre handover judges and replacing them with CCP endorsed judges. The schools in Macau have been teaching mainland CCP endorsed propaganda for years (which isn't taught in HK schools today). There were even pro-HK protests planned in Macau but the police just pre-emptively arrested everyone since they can do that sort of thing (Macau already has a national security law). The situation in Macau is to the point where the freedoms guaranteed in the basic law are largely meaningless. And once enough of the population has gone through the educational system (with all of the CCP propoganda), Macanese citizens will largely share the same attitudes as mainlanders.

    This is the CCP's end game. They want Hong Kong to go the way of Macau. At least the people of Macau (those born before the handover and their descendants) are EU citizens since Portugal gave everyone full citizenship so there are places to immigrate to. The British refused to give citizenship to citizens of Hong Kong and instead gave them a worthless British Overseas National passport that has no immigration path to the UK (or anywhere else).
     
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  3. Senator

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    Time to take risks.. time to start coordinating Mandarin Spring Uprisings. Coordination and stealth is the key, China is just laughing at the peaceful protests really.
     
  4. Invisible Fan

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    China's promises are paper thin and eventually end up in scandal or ruin.

    I guess they can paper things over with bribes or economic pressure right now but I'm not sure how their long game can last.

    Global Instability is not driving a need for Freedom, rather it's driving a need for Personal Security, not only in China but also in the US and Europe.

    Maybe the world draws another Trump and everyone says **** the Rules. It's Everyone For Themselves. Any Death Is Obama's Fault.
     
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    Cat and mouse game throughout the day.
     
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    yeah, the pig and the orange care about the Chinese in HK. :rolleyes:
     
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    https://www.state.gov/prc-national-...l-on-hong-kong-national-security-legislation/

    Last week, the People’s Republic of China (PRC) National People’s Congress announced its intention to unilaterally and arbitrarily impose national security legislation on Hong Kong. Beijing’s disastrous decision is only the latest in a series of actions that fundamentally undermine Hong Kong’s autonomy and freedoms and China’s own promises to the Hong Kong people under the Sino-British Joint Declaration, a UN-filed international treaty.

    The State Department is required by the Hong Kong Policy Act to assess the autonomy of the territory from China. After careful study of developments over the reporting period, I certified to Congress today that Hong Kong does not continue to warrant treatment under United States laws in the same manner as U.S. laws were applied to Hong Kong before July 1997. No reasonable person can assert today that Hong Kong maintains a high degree of autonomy from China, given facts on the ground.

    Hong Kong and its dynamic, enterprising, and free people have flourished for decades as a bastion of liberty, and this decision gives me no pleasure. But sound policy making requires a recognition of reality. While the United States once hoped that free and prosperous Hong Kong would provide a model for authoritarian China, it is now clear that China is modeling Hong Kong after itself.

    The United States stands with the people of Hong Kong as they struggle against the CCP’s increasing denial of the autonomy that they were promised.
     
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    Don’t worry commie, we care about the people of HK. Burn in hell WinnieTheFlu and your ChiCom henchmen.
     
  12. tinman

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    I understand you Daryl Morey
     
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    such a statement issued by any other State Dept is credible.

    Fatso has earned his reputation as a liar, as evidenced by his less-than-honest handling of such issues as
    • the murder of American journalist in Saudi Emabassy in Turkey
    • the sales of arms to Saudi
    • the firing of the State Dept IG who was investigation the Fatso for spending US taxpayer $ to organize his campaign activities for the 2024 presidential run
     
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    Yes. Things in Macau are different. Macau also has bigger issues with corruption than HK has and the role of casino magnates like Stanley Ho willing to work with the PRC because PRC money is fueling Macau's boom as a tourist destination.

    On a related note Stanley Ho passed away recently.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/26/business/stanley-ho-dead.html

    Stanley Ho, Who Turned Macau Into a Global Gambling Hub, Dies at 98
    Mr. Ho led the tiny Chinese territory’s transformation into the world’s most lucrative gambling destination.

    By Jonathan Kandell
    • May 26, 2020 Stanley Ho, the opportunistic casino tycoon who led the transformation of the tiny territory of Macau, off the coast of China, into the world’s most lucrative gambling destination, died on Tuesday in Hong Kong. He was 98.

    His family announced his death.

    In building his multibillion-dollar empire, Mr. Ho sometimes fought but more often negotiated and collaborated with the powers who threatened to defeat him. They included the Japanese, who occupied his homeland during World War II; the Chinese criminal gangs known as triads; the Communist government on mainland China; and United States gambling entrepreneurs, who sought to turn Macau into an Asian Las Vegas.

    Mr. Ho exploited China’s reputation for producing the world’s most passionate gamblers in amassing a family fortune that Bloomberg estimated at more than $12 billion in 2017.

    Operating or owning 20 casinos and related businesses, he employed a quarter of the labor force in Macau, a former Portuguese colony that is a short ferry ride from Hong Kong. (His company financed a fleet of hydrofoils to carry gamblers to the casinos.) For years his enterprises accounted for more than 70 percent of Macau’s tax revenue.

    Like many Chinese entrepreneurs, Mr. Ho, a father of 17, personified the potential pitfalls faced by lucrative family-controlled businesses toward the end of their founders’ lives. His final years were marked by bitter, public bickering among his 14 surviving children by four wives, many of whom tried to push him aside and claim stakes in his empire.

    2007. In a rare interview, Mr. Ho told The Closer that same year, “I love challenges and never accept the answer ‘no’ easily.”

    Stanley Ho Hung Sun was born on Nov. 25, 1921, into a prominent Hong Kong family whose fortune collapsed during the global Great Depression. His grandfather was a comprador, or business intermediary, for Jardine Matheson, the British trading house, in its dealings with China and colonial Hong Kong.

    His father, a comprador for Sassoon, another powerful British trading house, went broke during the 1930s and moved to Southeast Asia, leaving his family behind in poverty. Then, in 1941, the Japanese occupied Hong Kong, forcing young Stanley to drop out of college and flee to Macau with other refugees.

    In Macau, Mr. Ho was hired as a clerk by a Japanese-owned import-export firm. His employers were so impressed by his business instincts that they made him a partner in 1943. He was 22.

    According to “Asian Godfathers: Money and Power in Hong Kong and Southeast Asia,” a 2007 book by Joe Studwell, Mr. Ho made his first fortune smuggling luxury goods into the Chinese mainland during World War II while collaborating with the Japanese. Mr. Ho would later contend that the Japanese had paid him partly in foodstuffs, which he distributed to Macau’s starving poor.

    But he used much of the proceeds from his wartime smuggling to start a construction company, which reaped a fortune in the war’s aftermath, when Hong Kong experienced a building boom.

    Mr. Ho began to make his mark as a gambling industry giant in the early 1960s. He formed part of an investor group that won the exclusive right to run casinos in Macau by promising the Portuguese colonial authorities that it would promote tourism and improve its infrastructure. In 1961, the monopoly was named Sociedade de Turismo e Diversões de Macau, and its flagship, the Lisboa Casino Hotel, soon gained international renown.

    STDM’s fortunes rocketed in the 1980s, when a new capitalist class emerged in mainland China eager to spend its wealth in Mr. Ho’s growing casinos. He devised a profitable strategy that involved subcontracting V.I.P. rooms as a way to lure Asian high rollers. Mr. Ho and the subcontractors shared the revenues.

    For all their glitz, his hotels and casinos also gained a reputation for sleaze, attracting members of notorious triads and prostitutes. Law enforcement officials and gambling analysts around the world asserted that the casinos, especially the V.I.P. rooms, were used by triads to launder their earnings from illegal enterprises.

    In a written statement to The Times in 2007, Mr. Ho did not deny those allegations, but he pointed out that during the 1980s and ’90s, “anyone involved in gaming was vulnerable to such accusations.”

    2007 interview with The Times. “He’s never had to compete in a real market.”

    But the competition, in fact, spurred Mr. Ho to modernize his operations and build new luxury casino hotels. His profits soared as hordes of newly wealthy mainland Chinese turned Macau into the world’s biggest gambling destination, surpassing Las Vegas by 2006. Since then, however, his company’s share of the Macau gambling market has plummeted.

    Only the infirmities of advancing age slowed Mr. Ho down and made him vulnerable to his most dangerous rivals — his own family factions. After a fall at his home in 2009, he was hospitalized for seven months.

    negotiated settlement. All branches of the family issued a statement in March 2011 that asserted: “We have agreed that we will work together and continue to develop the gambling business” founded by Mr. Ho.

    handed over control of his conglomerate Shun Tak Holdings to another daughter, Pansy Ho. She was already a 50 percent partner in MGM Macau, a joint venture luxury casino hotel deal that Mr. Ho negotiated with Mr. Wynn’s MGM Mirage in 2007, demonstrating his survival instincts late in his career.

    His son Lawrence became chief executive officer of Melco Crown Entertainment, a Macau casino joint venture that his father negotiated, also in 2007, with Crown Limited, one of Australia’s biggest gambling and entertainment companies.

    Complete information on his survivors was not available.

    Forbes magazine estimated that at his death, after dividing his empire among family members, his fortune had fallen to $3.7 billion.
     
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    Foreign ownership of businesses in Hong Kong is another thing the PRC wants to change. Several major companies are majority owned via public shareholding. As a result, you tend to see more foreign CEOs, the board of governors can be majority HK and non-Chinese, etc.. It also means that Beijing's control of the functional constituencies is not as strong as its control over Macau's since the leaders of these companies have to deal with public markets. And then there are companies like Cathay Pacific and Jardine Matheson that still still have strong ties to the UK with majority British ownership.

    The CCP's relationship to Macanese business is like the relationship between Putin and and the Russian oligarchs while Hong Kong still has businesses that have significant foreign ownership or in a few cases majority ownership by a single foreign entity.

    Of course, HK's stock market will immediately lose its place in the world if the PRC starts finding ways to gain direct influence on businesses in Hong Kong but like I suggested, I really do think the PRC are ready for that to happen. Xi just seems to have tunnel vision and is ready to take on full control of all parts of the country.
     
  16. tinman

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    Holy crap
    This is the real life Ricky Tan

    Rest In Peace OG
     
  17. tinman

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    Daryl Morey was right
    Daryl Morey was right
    Daryl Morey was right

    if you hate Daryl Morey
    take a hike

    Taiwan Taiwan Taiwan
     
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    Daryl Morey was right
    Don't come to Clutchfans to pick a fight

    I see your clone accounts
    double
    Leave now
    OR THERE WILL BE TROUBLE
     
  19. generalthade_03

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    They treat this board like the way they treat the Uighurs, Tibetans, Falun Gongs....are we going to let them punk us Clutchfans?
     
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