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Fire Bill O'Brien

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by DonnyMost, Sep 23, 2016.

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Should we fire Bill O'Brien?

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  1. DatRocketFan

    DatRocketFan Member

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    Y r u even braggin about this when its not even true? BoB got eliminated b4 vrabel last playoff. Vrbael showcase his coachin skill by upsetting the ravens while BoB got exposed as the sht coach he is getting dumpster once more in playoffs.

    Vrabel got further in playoffs than BoB in his 6 year as HC. Vrabel did it in 2 years.

    And hes 2-2 against BoB. So no Texans dont always beat the Titans.
     
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  2. raining threes

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    They both lost (Blew big leads in the playoffs to the Chiefs.) to the Chiefs.

    Last yr they won a division clinching game in Nashville and played backups in week 16. The 2-2 record doesn't surprise me. Does it you?
     
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    A very fair criticism. I'm of this mindset.

    There are some posters that think BOB should've played ALL of the starters all game. I wonder if they would've felt this way if Watson had played and blew out his ACL?
     
  4. DatRocketFan

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    Titans beaten the number one seed raven and got further in to afc playoffs. Are u gonna tell me all eliminated nfl teams are the same? Or u just like braggin that our mediocre franchise is better than the titans cause we got the afc south division title? Talking to u is a waste of time if u gonna defend BoB this blindly.

    Blew big leads.... titans had a 10 point lead, while we blew a 21 point lead in a quarter.
    Like serious?


    Just stfu and find a better way to defend BoB. BoB isnt a better coach than vrabel, based on last season playoff outcomes, just stop braggin about the afc south division title its sad.
     
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  5. Mr.Scarface

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    Blowing big leads?
    Sort of like the 49ers gave up unanswered 21 points in the 4th quarter in the SuperBowl to the Chiefs?

    The 49ers defense was much better than the Texans. So, I guess the are a mediocre franchise too? The coach needs to fired!
     
  6. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    At least their mediocre team made the Super Bowl.
     
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  7. DatRocketFan

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    Is that your arguement? They made it to the fking superbowl something we have never done at all. Jeezus christ there's a difference between a coach that chokes in the superbowl and a sht one that chokes in a playoff game.

    Keep defending BoB bud.
     
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  8. leroy

    leroy Contributing Member

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    It was absolute piss poor coaching by Shanahan. That was a fairly universal opinion. However, he actually got his team there. His team is building a young and very talented roster...not trading away players that are considered the best in the game at what they do. This is probably not the hill you want to die on...
     
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  9. raining threes

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    You get my point, you're judging this off of 1 game? When The Chiefs made comebacks from double digit deficits against everybody they played in the playoffs.
     
  10. DatRocketFan

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    1 game in playoffs tells me a lot more about a team than a season worth. Only advantage u get for doing well during regular season via division titles is automatic playoff entrance and hopefully home field advantage. Playoff is where elimination is on the line and things get more serious. Titans at least shown they can beat a higher tier team, something BoB cant do.

    U got to stop being so happy about a division title. It doesnt necessarily mean that we are the best team in the division, hence how we got bounce faster than the titans and colts in those years we got division champ.

    I do hope repeating this over and over helps u understand.
     
  11. raining threes

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    What it should tell you is the Texans were a better regular season team and the Chiefs were much better than both the Texans/Titans in the playoffs. Unfortunately I expect things to remain this way as long as Mahomes is in K.C.
     
  12. DatRocketFan

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    Dude Jeezus christ. I am going to make one last attempt to convince u that the Texans aren't better than the Titans regardless if they gotten the Division title.


    Using Espn.com/nfl/stats/team

    2019 Regular Season

    Texans Titans
    Offense
    Total Yds 5792 5805
    Yds/Gm 362.0 362.8
    Passing Total 3783 3582
    Passing Yard/Gm 236.4 223.9
    Rushing Total 2009 2223
    Rushing Yard/Gm 125.6 138.9
    Points 378 402
    Pts/Gm 23.6 25.1

    Defense
    Total Yds Allowed 6213 5752
    Yds/Gm 388.3 359.5
    Passing Total 4276 4080
    Passing Yard/Gm 267.3 255.0
    Rushing Total 1937 1672
    Rushing Yard/Gm 121.1 104.5
    Points 385 331
    Pts/Gm 24.1 20.7


    Out of all the team stats, Texans beat the Titans in Passing total and Passing Yard/gm.
    Using numbers beside win overall record, there's no fking way the Texans were the superior team during regular season.

    The playoffs shows it, the regular season stats show it. But please keep waving the Division title like it means something and ignore the stats and results.

    U just have to accept that BoB isn't at the level of Vrabel. and that Texans aren't that good compared to the Titans.
     
  13. raining threes

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    I judge teams by wins and losses.

    I dont expect much from the Texans next yr.
     
  14. stevel

    stevel Contributing Member

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    the issue with just throwing stats out there is the lack of context. This site gave a breakdown of the strength of schedule against teams already played as of Dec 30 2019. Based on their metrics the Texans played a significantly tougher schedule. It’s obviously more difficult to put up better numbers against tougher teams

    http://powerrankingsguru.com/nfl/strength-of-schedule.php


    Additionally, don’t you think those numbers would have changed if the Texans played their staters in wk 17? We beat the Titans in their stadium when it really mattered, They beat us when we had nothing to play for and they were in a win or go home situation.
     
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  15. DatRocketFan

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    Afc south title defenders cant have it both ways. When we put down that the afc south division title and say BoB just lucks his way into a title, they say Texans cant control who they play, likewise when u r comparing overall stats. Titans cant control who they played and was able to have better overall stats.

    Fact stand that in a regular season worth of games, Texans were behind in most of the stats i listed h2h v Titans. I dont give a fk about what ifs (they could gotten better stats if they tried last game) cause it didnt happen.

    U can deny it all u want, but fact stand that statistically Texans were inferior to the Titans. Hell if u even watched playoffs without the texans blinders, the titans had a better performance compared to our team. One team advanced 2 afc championship and one team didnt? Its not that hard.
     
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  16. juanm34

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    Will a 0-7 start get O’Brien the boot or another promotion?????

    I cant wait!!!!!



    #FireObrien
     
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  17. raining threes

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    The Titans had better stats except when they played the Texans in games that mattered to the Texans.
     
  18. JoeBarelyCares

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    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...-offseasons-worst-first-barnwell-all-32-teams

    32. Houston Texans
    What went right: Hmm. We're starting this series with the toughest question, huh? I suppose the two-year, $3 million deal the Texans gave former Eagles and Chargers defensive back Jaylen Watkins could be decent value if they slot him in the correct role. They also upgraded their special-teams coverage units by importing players such as Eric Murray and Michael Thomas. Second-round pick Ross Blacklock, Houston's first selection in the 2020 draft, could turn into a useful interior disrupter and third pass-rusher for a team that had the league's fourth-worst adjusted sack rate.

    What went wrong: The Texans traded away arguably their second-best player for pennies on the dollar because he wanted a new contract and then overpaid for just about every one of their offseason additions. Even if they hadn't traded wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins and a swap of fourth-rounders for a second-round pick and running back David Johnson's bloated contract, this would be a disaster.

    Coach Bill O'Brien misread the market and handed out significant deals to cornerback Bradley Roby (three years, $36 million), wide receiver Randall Cobb (three years, $27 million), kicker Ka'imi Fairbairn (four years, $17.7 million) and Murray (three years, $18 million) and even threw in a one-year, $4 million pact for backup quarterback AJ McCarron. O'Brien finished up by giving agentless left tackle Laremy Tunsil a three-year, $66 million extension, a market-shifting deal everyone saw coming from the moment the Texans traded away multiple first-round picks to acquire Tunsil without negotiating an extension as part of the pact.

    What they could have done differently: How much time do you have? Let's start by using the window afforded them during the trading process last year to insist on getting Tunsil signed to an extension as part of that trade. The team reportedly attempted to sign Carlos Hyde to an extension before free agency; Hyde isn't much more than a league-average running back, but if signing him meant that O'Brien wouldn't have assumed the Johnson contract, it would have been a hidden victory for this team.

    The Texans shouldn't have traded away Hopkins, contract demands or not. The Falcons were able to satiate Julio Jones when he was three years away from the end of his deal by moving money around before handing him a deal with two years to go. And if you don't want to follow that model, what was Hopkins going to do in a league in which the new collective bargaining makes it virtually impossible for players to hold out?

    If O'Brien thought his relationship with Hopkins was unsalvageable and he needed to trade his star wide receiver away, that's one thing. He simply had to get more out of that deal than an underwater running back contract and a second-round pick. Even if Hopkins wanted a new deal, the Stefon Diggs trade saw the Vikings send a less productive player with a reputation of creating drama inside his building to the Bills for a much greater haul, most notably a first-round pick. Beating the Vikings to the punch for that Bills deal would have been more defensible.

    What's left to do: Trade Kenny Stills. The Texans don't really have a need for Stills as their fourth wide receiver behind Cobb, Brandin Cooks and Will Fuller, and the former Dolphins wideout has $7 million in unguaranteed money due on the final year of his deal. There's an obvious fit here with the Packers, who didn't get all of their shopping done this offseason.
     
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  19. coachbadlee

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    Getting a receiver like Stills as trade filler was a steal. Trading him would be dumb. But O'Brien would almost have to do something dumb to cover for all the stupid things he has done so far this offseason.
     
  20. Mr.Scarface

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    You do realize the narrative Barnwell tries to paint ignores the fact O'Brien knows EXACTLY what he is doing. You may not agree with it, but all the moves had a SPECIFIC purpose: To get rid of Hopkins and add more weapons to spread the ball around. Get a cheaper version of DJ Reader (Tim Jernigan) and to the pass rush Blacklock and Greenard. Keep Roby and Hargreaves build out the Secondary with Eric Murray and drafting John Reid.

    As for Stills, if they were going to trade him...it would have been during the draft. Why would you now weaken your deepest position on the team (Yes, they are deeper....didn't say better...without Hopkins).

    The Texans touched on every need. The Texans know their cap, so the dollars situation is for them to manage. Everyone on this board agreed to on paying Roby $36 million over 3 years. Just because Chris Harris had to take less money (he is older than Roby and didn't have that great of a season) doesn't meant he Texans really over paid. They probably did overpay for Murray. Kai'mi is about the lack of good Kickers on the market. If you have one you like, you keep them....especially young ones.
     

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