This is what really get's me. The NRA or other gun rights group were silent when Philando Castile, a black man was killed by the police. He was legally carrying in his own car and even informed the LEO that he was. I went to one of the protest for Philando at the MN Capital and to some of the public forums put on by Ramsey County and didn't see any of these gun rights people there.
This isn't true. mar1juana use federally prevents you from even buying a gun. In Texas there is not a BAC threshold for drinking whilst carrying with a LTC and is generally thought to be officers/courts discretion. Carrying a weapon holds you to a higher standard legally than doing pretty much any other constitutionally protected activity. The government puts as many tripping points in as possible on purpose. As the biggest advocate for right to carry on the BBS, I think it was a bad shoot. I will gladly talk out about the minority cop that shot him. I don't need to misrepresent the facts as you did to justify that position either.
Misrepresent facts? What facts did I misrepresent? He was legally carrying. Whether he was using mar1juana or not hadn't been legally established when he purchased the firearm, got his license and was killed by the LEO. You say it was a bad shoot so you agree with the facts that I stated. Further what does any of that or that LEO Yanniz is a minority have to do with that gun rights people were silent on Philando Castile?
I quoted what you got wrong. He was a user of mar1juana in possession of mar1juana, he was in possession of a gun, that's a felony. It's that simple. The fact I agree with you that it was a bad shoot (really bad shoot) does not also mean I agree with your account of events and your poor understanding of federal firearms law.
And his mar1juana possession was established when he was shot? Or when he got his license or purchased his hand gun? That is how due process works unless you subscribe to Trump's view that we should take people's firearms away without due process.
Let's make this simple. Are you disputing he had a gun? Are you disputing he had a jar of weed? Are you disputing having both is a felony?
mar1juana possession isn't grounds for death. The officer wasn't even asking him to hand over his firearm because of his possession. He was just a b**** and was scared like a b**** and shot him. Using mar1juana here is a stupid excuse and nothing more than post hoc rationalization. The officer shooting him had NOTHING to do with mar1juana possession. Felonies aren't death sentences. They shouldn't be. There is a very solid chance that a white individual in that situation would cross the threshold of his subconscious mind of not being a threat from a sudden movement. That's how these racial biases work. You don't have to be a card carrying member of the KKK to have some of these subconscious biases.
Someone is suggesting that Castile was shot because he had a combination of mar1juana and a firearm on him which is just flat out dumb. He was shot because the officer was a scared little boy.
Right. I'm not seeing some of the posts from triggered white warriors. I'm saying it's not worth it for me to click on ignored content and wade in with some person who will never, and I mean ever, change his or her mind about anything.
From Defense One.com, a well regarded site that focuses on defense issues, primarily relating to the United States. Part One: Propaganda, the President, and the ‘Reopen’ Protesters BY KEVIN BARON EXECUTIVE EDITOR The military’s nostalgic WWII-style posters urge face masks and national unity, but they’re not reaching Trump and his disbelieving followers. Here we are, once again watching TV images of extreme-right militia dudes kitted up with AR-15s and Sig Sauers, ill-fitting tactical vests, wraparound sunglasses, goatees, and Hawaiian “Boogaloo” shirts. Usually they’re rallying for the Second Amendment, or the Confederate flag, or white power, or protesting against the latest thing that they feel is impinging on their right to be idiotic, and vowing to defend themselves from the next King George. Or Abraham Lincoln. This week, they brought their guns to Lansing, Michigan, where they pledged allegiance to President Donald Trump while protesting the government’s (any government, pick a government) mandate that — *squints* — humans should stay socially distant and wear personal protective equipment until the global pandemic passes us by. They rose up against the tyranny of face masks. Meanwhile, the actual U.S. military that Trump commands has been promoting a very different kind of aesthetic and rules. Across the country, military units have been posting World War II-style propaganda posters to social media feeds, urging Americans to wear face masks, wash hands, stay home, and stay alive. They bring the patriotic gusto, and they’re great. Naval Air Station Pensacola tweeted several recently, like this WWII image of a radio operator over the caption “Stay Healthy! Stay in the Fight! #sinkcovid19.” The text of the tweet says, “Together, we can #sinkcovid19 Practice physical distancing, wear a face covering when physical distancing cannot be maintained, wash your hands regularly and stay home if you don’t fell (sic) well.” Another says, “Be a Marine and fight COVID 19 by washing your hands regularly and practicing good social distancing. #sinkcovid19.” examples are here, here, here, and here. This play on propaganda is a wonderful way to connect Americans to a bygone era where everyone truly was in the fight. Modern examples first appeared on World War I posters in London. Alas, WWI-style national unity has been virtually absent in recent times; even the 9/11 attacks directly affected only a relatively small part of the population. COVID-19 threatens us all. But unlike 100 years ago, the nation is not pulling together against the common foe. There’s one glaring reason why. In the few weeks we’ve been fighting back the virus, America’s partisans and modern-day political propagandists haven’t missed a beat. They are trying to tear us apart. Everything is politics, we know that. Even medicine is not immune; witness the partisan battles over healthcare, reproduction, and vaccinations. But the fact that Americans so quickly decamped to their right-and-left positions over how to fight a global pandemic — something most of us know zero about — reveals just how primed this nation is for internal division and conflict. It’s alarming, and it is now considered a national security threat. It’s not just the left complaining about the right, either. “I’m a libertarian-leaning conservative and have contributed to the Washington Examiner, the Federalist and the now-defunct Weekly Standard. I believe in the principles of limited government and in the exploration of political ideas that more traditional, often left-of-center news sources don’t,” Max Diamond wrote in the Washington Post. “But In this grave moment, conservative media has failed: More than just being out of sync with experts, much of conservative media has viewed this pandemic through an excessively partisan lens, and often seems to care more about how it impacts politics than people’s lives.” Partisans on the left and right have drawn lines all over the place, trying to score political points over the president’s response, the source of the virus, travel bans, business closures, federal vs. state government responses, science, treatments, the president’s publicity, and even the military. This week’s images out of Michigan are compelling. Some feel these relatively tiny groups of protestors played the media like a fiddle and got way, way too much air time. Then again, it’s not every day that armed militia “storm” — or, if you prefer, walk peacefully and lawfully, with police escort, into — a state capitol building. But the event made for great news photography, and great propaganda. We will remember the out-of-shape, preening Americans shouting their spittle into the faces of law enforcement officers wearing anti-COVID masks to protect everyone involved. And that’s the point. These protestors are the physical manifestations of a right-wing propaganda war dating almost to WWII. But decades spent building out an “alternative” media with alternative facts has grown into something that is now out of the control of the mainstream conservative movement. Aided by the internet and right-wing media, far-right followers obediently line up to support whatever President Donald Trump has most recently said — science, history, and the Republican Party’s traditional platform be damned. https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/20...nt-and-reopen-protesters/165081/?oref=d-river
Part Two: Spoiler This year, they’ve echoed Trump’s protracted pooh-poohing of SARS-CoV-19, even as public-health experts sounded alarms about the impending pandemic. When his blasé response drew criticism, they retweeted his statement that it was all another Democratic “hoax.” They gleefully parroted him parroting them in calling it the “Chinese virus.” They stood with him when he vilified the World Health Organization. They even ingested disinfectant when he suggested it. They go to the barricades to defend his latest words, and Michigan is this week’s barricade. Trump fuels it. The president who declared in 2018 that he attacks the press “so when you write negative stories about me, no one will believe you,” facilitates his own propaganda like no predecessor. He tried to stack the White House press briefing room in his favor, slipping in partisan propagandists from far-right outlets like Breitbart, OANN, and Newsmax, which sent Trump’s own former spokesman, Sean Spicer. He calls on them for softball questions when he’s done insulting legitimate White House reporters as “fake news.” Trump threatened to end the daily sessions when mainstream press cried foul, but never did, saying that through them he can speak around the media and directly to Americans. His opponents have called upon the networks to stop airing — at least live and unedited — what they argue have largely been campaign rallies shot through with dangerous lies. By mid-April, Trump was simply showing up to the press briefing room with his own propaganda reel of clips and praise for himself. News outlets stopped showing Trump’s daily briefings live, but only for a while. Twitter remains an open conduit for the president. Two weeks ago, after Trump saw how right-wing anti-lockdown protests were angering the left, he tweeted “LIBERATE MICHIGAN!” and several other states. During the morning shows on Friday, he tweeted that Michigan’s Democratic governor should “give a little, and put out the fire. These are very good people, but they are angry. They want their lives back again, safely! See them, talk to them, make a deal.” Observers quickly noted the echo of “very fine people,” Trump’s 2017 defense of the white-power marchers in Charlottesville, Va. There is some good news. Two weeks ago, a study revealed that while Americans are hyper-consuming local and national news during the lockdown, partisan media pages have flatlined. The New York Times created some good data visuals of our changing news consumption habits. And we can hope that instead of heeding modern-day pamphleteers, the black beret-wearing protestors in Michigan will start to heed the messages of the actual Green Berets they idolize — like the 10th Special Forces Group, who urge their fellow citizens to wash your hands, stand apart, and “do your part to flatten the curve.” https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/20...nt-and-reopen-protesters/165081/?oref=d-river
what does this have to do with me saying it was a "really bad shoot" and correctly pointing out rocketsjudoka was wrong when he said the guy was "legally carrying in his own car"? I really don't see why you and the choir are here with the sermons.
None of which was established at the time he was stopped or when he had purchased his firearm. You're arguing ex post facto of the incident that was involved. It would be like saying because you see someone speed it's not legal for them to drive. That's not determined until they are actually charged and convicted of speeding. That is due process. Again this still doesn't answer the question of what does this have to do with gun rights activists being silent on Castile? If the argument is that having controlled substances, even without being charged for it invalidates gun rights. Do we know for a fact that all of those open carry people at the MI protest aren't in possesion of controlled substances?
at which point are you not allowed to say "He was legally carrying in his own car" then? Which fact pattern would make that not true? As someone who knows firearms laws, I know he was not legally carrying in his own car. You seem to know different because for some moment in time someone didn't know he was breaking the law. So I'm curious how that works exactly. I mean you say: "None of which was established at the time he was stopped" It's now been established. Which leads me to know your statement is false. Which leads me to point that out.
“The whole trial is going to be about the officer’s state of mind,” Friedberg said, adding that the gun permit had “absolutely no impact” on Yanez’s mental state before or during the shooting. The state alleges that Yanez, 29, recklessly shot Castile when the 32-year-old black motorist was trying to get his wallet so he could produce the driver’s license that Yanez had requested
