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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. SamFisher

    SamFisher Contributing Member

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    Anybody here sitting around here thinking," yeah this **** is super ****ed up, how will we move forward? what if I get sick? What if I lose my income? What will I do? I wonder if idled tennis legend Novak Djokovic has some takes"

    Well, you're in luck, because he's got a take, and it's befitting that of a man of a certain virtue:

    https://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/29069582/djokovic-opposes-compulsory-coronavirus-vaccination

    Personally, I am opposed to vaccination, and I wouldn't want to be forced by someone to take a vaccine in order to be able to travel," Djokovic said in a live Facebook chat on Sunday with several fellow Serbian athletes.

    "But if it becomes compulsory, what will happen? I will have to make a decision. I have my own thoughts about the matter, and whether those thoughts will change at some point, I don't know.
    So, recapping, Tennis legend Novak Djokovic, despite or because of not really having any formal education after age 12, (1) knows enough about immunology to know this whole "vaccine" thing is a scam, but

    (2) may - MAY- be willing to compromise on this in order to continue his lucrative lifestyle

    (3) by taking a vaccine that doesn't currently exist and will not exist for a year or more and

    (4) that in any sane universe, he would be way at the back of the line to get, if it is ever available

    That's certainly a take!
     
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  2. NewRoxFan

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    Georgia to allow some shuttered businesses to reopen amid pandemic
    https://www.ajc.com/news/state--reg...-reopen-amid-pandemic/jKbtfWKHOvqMStwhPf9oFI/
     
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  4. J.R.

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    Didn't he just find out it was transmittable like a week ago? :D
    Excuse me, early April.

     
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  5. NewRoxFan

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  6. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    Yeah, sign me up for visiting a nail salon in the midst of an endemic and brutally contagious virus. :D Good luck, y'all. And i do mean "y'all."
     
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  7. deb4rockets

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    Of all the places to open he chooses gyms, salons, bowling alleys, & theatres? Do people bring their own balls and shoes to the bowling alleys? Do theatres leave seats open between people? LOL. Add in gyms, barbers, and salons and it's just a crazy move.

    He must be a Trumpateer. Trump will praise him and give him all the ventilators he needs if this risky move backfires.
     
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  8. FrontRunner

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    It's been several years since I last bowled, but I can tell you my grandfather had his own ball and shoes 35 years or so ago. I'm not sure if most people brought their own ball and shoes to bowling alleys back then, or if just really good bowlers brought their own. I seem to remember seeing a display of custom undrilled bowling balls for sale at the bowling alley the last time I went, so I assume some people still buy them.

    I go to the gym now (or used to at least). As much as I miss/need it, you won't catch me there any time soon.

    If it were up to me, these sorts of places would be among the very last to open back up. But Brian and Trump have got to get people back to work and play if they want to keep the oil companies happy!!!
     
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  9. roxstarz

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    Opening up gyms is a terrible idea. Hard breathing and sweating combined with gyms cleaning once or twice a week is going to lead to a spike in cases. Having previously worked in a gym for years, I can't think of a worse place to open up during a pandemic. This is beyond stupid.
     
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  10. NewRoxFan

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    He'd have known if he ran a gym or nail salon...

     
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  11. NewRoxFan

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    Oh my gosh...

     
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  12. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    Wow, when it’s not enough to give people crap wages and unsafe working conditions... just go ahead and insult their heritage!

    I missed that day in HR training.
     
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    Smithfield is owned by China.

    just saying
     
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  14. NewRoxFan

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    I really feel for the folks in charge of Smithfield... having been forced, forced to hire those immigrants that didn't have good ol' American values. And then the company came down with a virus. Those dirty immigrants...
     
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    I won't be buying their ham again, ever.
     
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  17. KingCheetah

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    Fun Factoid: Novak is Perry Farrell's son.
     
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  18. Deckard

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    Here's an excellent article from a very good website put out by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute. It's very well regarded in Australia, and sometimes has content written by Australian government and military leaders. It's a short history of plagues going as far back as the Peloponnesian War, their impact on societies and history, the way attempts to deal with them impacted not only their own civilizations, but history in general, and how all that relates to what we are experiencing now. The author is a former Israeli foreign minister. Enjoy.

    Why this pandemic is different
    20 Apr 2020|Shlomo Ben-Ami


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    Long before people and goods were traversing the globe non-stop, pandemics were already an inescapable feature of human civilisation. And the tragedy they bring has tended to have a silver lining: perceived as mysterious, meta-historical events, large-scale disease outbreaks have often shattered old beliefs and approaches, heralding major shifts in the conduct of human affairs. But the Covid-19 pandemic may break that pattern.

    In many ways, the current pandemic looks a lot like its predecessors. For starters, predictable or not, disease outbreaks have always caught the authorities off guard—and they have often failed to respond quickly and decisively.

    Albert Camus depicted this tendency in his novel The plague, and China’s government embodied it when it initially suppressed information about the novel coronavirus. US President Donald Trump did the same when he minimised the threat, comparing Covid-19 as recently as last month with seasonal flu. As an official in Camus’s novel said, the plague is nothing but ‘a special type of fever’.

    Leaders’ lack of foresight has often left people with only one real defence from disease outbreaks: social distancing. As Daniel Defoe noted in A journal of the plague year, his memoir of the bubonic plague outbreak in London in 1665, the municipal government banned events and gatherings, closed schools and enforced quarantines.

    Nearly two millennia before London’s Great Plague, during the epidemic that killed at least a third of Athenians near the end of the Peloponnesian War, the Greek historian Thucydides observed that if people made contact with the sick, ‘they lost their lives’. As a result, many ‘died alone’, and funeral customs were ‘thrown into confusion’. And, owing to the high death toll, the dead were often ‘buried in any way possible’.

    During the Covid-19 crisis, lockdowns and other social-distancing protocols have similarly prevented people from visiting their dying loved ones and upended funeral traditions. In China, families are reportedly encouraged to bury their dead quickly and quietly. Satellite images show mass graves being dug in Iran. New York City officials have also ramped up mass burials, intended for those who have no next of kin or families who can afford a funeral. Some cemeteries in London have run out of graves.

    Another parallel between the current pandemic and its predecessors is the tendency to embrace experimental palliatives. During the pandemic of so-called Spanish flu a century ago, scientists blamed bacterial infections, and designed treatments accordingly. We know now that influenza is caused by a virus; no bacterial vaccines could protect against it.

    Of course, researchers working on Covid-19 have a much more advanced understanding of disease. But, as we await a bespoke cure or vaccine, existing antivirals—such as those long used for malaria—are being tested, with mixed results. The use of one such drug, chloroquine, has raised concerns after patients receiving it showed signs of heart-related complications.

    And then there are the bogus cures that invariably emerge—‘infallible preventive pills’, as Defoe called them. Today, charlatans—aided by social media—have made similarly false and dangerous claims, suggesting that anything from snorting cocaine to drinking bleach can protect against Covid-19. Trump himself has touted hydroxychloroquine as a potential ‘game changer’, despite the lack of testing—prompting one couple to attempt to self-medicate. The husband died; his wife barely survived.

    The economic disruption caused by Covid-19 also has plenty of precedent. The second-century Antonine Plague caused one of the most severe economic crises in the history of the Roman Empire. The Plague of Justinian—which initially erupted in 541–542 and recurred intermittently for two centuries—did the same to the Byzantine Empire.

    Epidemics not only ravage economies, but also throw societal inequalities into sharp relief, deepening mistrust in the status quo. Disease may not discriminate between rich and poor, but their living conditions always make the poor and marginalised more vulnerable. Machiavelli, who witnessed—and probably died in—the plague in Florence in 1527, viewed the outbreak as the direct result of misrule. Criticisms of China, Trump, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson and others have echoed this sentiment.

    Others view epidemics through the lens of conspiracy theories. Marcus Aurelius blamed Christians for the Antonine Plague. In Christian Europe, the 14th-century Black Death was blamed on Jews.

    Imagined culprits behind the Covid-19 crisis include radiation from 5G technology, the US military, the Chinese military and—no surprise—Jews. Iran’s state-controlled media has warned people not to use any vaccine developed by Israeli scientists. Publications in Turkey and Palestine have defined Covid-19 as an Israeli biological weapon. White supremacists in Austria, Switzerland and the US have blamed the Jewish financier and philanthropist George Soros, who they believe hopes to thin out the world population and cash in on a vaccine.

    Despite these similarities, the Covid-19 pandemic is likely to stand out in a crucial way: it is unlikely to upend the established order. The Antonine and Justinian plagues encouraged the spread of Christianity throughout Europe. The Black Death drove people towards a less religious, more humanistic view of the world—a shift that would lead to the Renaissance. The Spanish flu prompted uprisings, massive labour strikes and anti-imperialist protests. In India, where millions died, it helped to galvanise the independence movement.

    The Covid-19 pandemic, by contrast, is more likely to reinforce three pre-existing—and highly destructive—trends: deglobalisation, unilateralism and authoritarian surveillance capitalism. Almost immediately, calls for reducing dependence on global value chains—already gaining traction before the crisis—began to intensify. Efforts by the European Union to devise a common strategy have again exposed the bloc’s old divisions. Trump has now decided to suspend US funding allocated to the World Health Organization. And, under the cover of the fight for life, authorities beyond just China or Russia are trampling on liberties and invading personal privacy.

    Two world wars have shown that a global order organised around egocentric nationalism is incompatible with peace and security. The pandemic has highlighted the urgent need for a new balance between the nation-state and supranational institutions. Without that, the devastation wrought by Covid-19 will only increase.

    https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/why-this-pandemic-is-different/
     
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  19. NewRoxFan

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    It's been a while since the loons at the federalist was posted...


     
  20. deb4rockets

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    I'm just blown away at the protesting of lockdowns right now, and Trump encouraging this BS. What the hell is wrong with people in not seeing the significance of the situation? Trump encouraging this **** pisses me off!

    March 20th the US had 19,497 Coronavirus cases and 206 deaths. In one month we added 773,667 new Coronavirus cases and 42,308 deaths.

    People need to take this a lot more seriously, and that starts with our leader.
     
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