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COVID-19 (coronavirus disease)/SARS-CoV-2 virus

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by tinman, Jan 22, 2020.

  1. No Worries

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    More ... Science!

     
  2. Duncan McDonuts

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    as crazy as she is, she does have a point about going to Home Depot and the grocery store.
     
  4. Duncan McDonuts

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    It's a lot easier to keep your distance from others at a store than when you're sitting shoulder to shoulder with a hundred others for an hour.
     
  5. Amiga

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    One question I have is what if we raise pay above 2019 level and current 2020 level? Is that refundable? Is that where the +25% comes in?
     
  6. Bandwagoner

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    No indication the church was packed. The report said "dozens of other people". Even the smallest churchers will hold 150 or so.

    If they distanced they could have easily maintained 6 feet.

    I'm not in favor of it, but I've had assholes at HEB come up and walk right past the social distancing stickers on the ground asking if the self checkout was available when it clearly said closed. Walking down an aisle you simply cannot stay 6 feet from them either.
     
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    Does anyone remember the world before the Covid-19?

    The elders speak of a time when children played in the park without wearing masks. Great cruising ships would leave the port packed with people on holiday, their only concern was only a simple norovirus. Restaurants had indoor dining rooms where patrons would be seated only feet apart.

    It is said that the worlds great athletes would compete against one another in great and magnificent stadiums, where onlookers would cheer them on with no fear of airborne transmission of the disease.

    Some of the Elders say they can remember a time when our great and honorable leader had nothing to do all day but play golf and tweet. Now our leader almost never plays golf, and spends all day giving great and powerful speeches and tweeting.

    Some say that they have been told that the virus will someday miraculously go away. But is hoping for a miracle really a plan we should believe in?

    Many of the elders are dying. The virus hits them hard.

    Does anyone remember the world before the Covid-19?
     
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    When asked at halftime about health care worker load management, Greg Popovich was unpleasant as usual, "we're talking about a virus people. A virus."
     
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    I'm curious as to how fast the US will return to "normal" after this is over.

    Let's say everyone is free and clear, starting tomorrow, and the virus is more or less eradicated. The standards set in healthcare and how we approach deadly germs and viruses are going to cause a lot of people to change their daily habits.
     
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    There won't be a normal until there's a vaccine or the country slowly achieves herd immunity.

    Isolation measures will change. Tracking might be more prevalent. Maybe testing and sensor tech will improve in response.

    Culturally and economically it will become a minefield to navigate

    imagine the amount of rednecks in us and blow that proportion up to a billion people. Triple the amount and you got the situation in China.
     
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  12. malakas

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    Not having enough tests...fine since you were unprepared.
    Not having enough ventilators ..totally understandable.
    Not having enough ICU beds... unless you're Germany that's normal.

    But not having enough Oxygen? And letting people who were only hospitalised possibly die? :rolleyes:

    How could the UK fck it up so badly?
    I can hardly believe what I am reading at this point.

    Is this a 1st world country? Refusing oxygen to patients? Really?
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...rced-to-consider-who-should-be-refused-oxygen
     
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  13. Bandwagoner

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    If you are interested in what happened, it seems to me

    A SINGLE hospital had a central system that was long due for upgrades (thank you NHS). This single hospital was inundated with hundreds of patients requiring O2. The capacity was close to being reached, they raised an alarm.

    Not a single patient was refused oxygen according to the article.
     
  14. Amiga

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    Don't know about oxygen supplies, but one of the big issue in NY and NO (two hard hit area) is the need to modify rooms to route (extra) oxygen into the patient rooms. The need for o2 by the patient is way way up.
     
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    Shows that you have no clue on the significance of what you are reading.
    They were making a triage on OXYGEN.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


    Do you understand how ridiculous this is for a 1st world country?

    Their concern was so much that the central offices of the NHS told all hospitals to be careful with their oxygen supplies.
    https://www.theguardian.com/society...l-almost-runs-out-oxygen-coronavirus-patients
    NHS England was so concerned by what happened that it told hospital bosses in a letter on Monday that the risk constituted a “critical safety concern” which could have major consequences for all patients relying on oxygen to stay alive. It told them to take a series of urgent actions to reduce the risk of their own oxygen supply suddenly running short because of heavy demand.

    It told trusts that a sudden increase in patients receiving support with their breathing because of coronavirus, risks a hospital’s oxygen supply failing altogether, which could cut off the supply to all those needing it to help them fight the infection in their lungs.
     
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  16. Bandwagoner

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    something as dangerous as O2 has a predetermined number of plumbed bed destination and total flow capability. Expanding that is not nearly as easy as rolling in a ventilator and personnel to run it.

    Hospitals don't use actual cylinders of oxygen at point of care you see people with because of the volumes involved and safety factor. Last step emergency they could just use those.
     
  17. malakas

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    But there is enough oxygen tanks and liquid oxygen.

    Once you don't have enough oxygen is game over.
    Say goodbye to everybody in ICUs and most people who are hospitalised.
     
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  18. Bandwagoner

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    No, uh it shows exactly what I was saying.

    The letter says: “If the demand through multiple wall outlets [for wall-mounted CPAP machines] exceeds the maximum capacity of the VIE delivery system, there is a risk of rapid pressure drop in oxygen supply pipes.

    “This could lead to a failure of oxygen delivery systems throughout the hospital, including to patients on face masks, CPAP, ventilators and [in] operating theatres. There is also a risk of rapid and unpredictable depletion of the VIE [storage tank].


    These systems are plumbed with a capacity for beds and total flow. You exceed the total flow, the pressure drops and all the points of flow are compromised.


    protip: i probably know a bit about plumbing permanent gases and flow in buildings than you.
     
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  19. malakas

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    who cares if you are a plumber?
    You have no clue of how vital and BASIC is oxygen therapy for covid19 patients.

    This is simply inexcusable for a 1st world country.
     
  20. Bandwagoner

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    You have yet to even show understanding of the situation that occurred.

    Your statements leads to the conclusion that all first world hospitals should have been designed with a central O2 distribution system with infinite capacity.
     
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