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Trump's coronavirus response

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Two Sandwiches, Mar 13, 2020.

  1. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    "What a lot of the voters are seeing now is that when you elect somebody...think about who will be a competent manager during the time of crisis."

    Please do that in 2020.
     
  2. Two Sandwiches

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    Everything they say is a reflection on themselves. So comical. Irony at its finest.
     
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  3. Two Sandwiches

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    This is exactly what we've been saying. He should walk the hospital in NYC. Let him see what it's like.


    He won't because he's a coward that has bone spurs.
     
  4. Two Sandwiches

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    Yep. Just let those in the small, ignorant minority realize it on election night.
     
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  5. biina

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    That won't save all the lives that could be lost before then.
     
  6. BallaDoc

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    trump and his base are a bunch of p*****s. Would love for any of these asshats to come to my icu if y’all wanna see what this **** is about. Better yet come into the room of a patient we’re having to rotate on a bed like a chicken to keep their oxygen up with minimal PPE. Then watch us go back and forth into that room 9 times a night to make sure her tube doesn’t slip or to adjust the vent. Then tell me oh yeah y’all are short cause you’re stealing supplies and not cause these patients are sick as dogshit.

    How about his fat lardass stay in the patient room before we intubate these patients while praying to god we don’t breathe in aerosolized particles.

    **** him and the republican base. Snowflakes and traitors the whole lot of them. Make your vote count this upcoming election.
     
  7. BallaDoc

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    And note I didn’t say **** the conservatives. I said **** the republican base. The GOP who cares more about corporations and millionaire wealth then the people.
     
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  8. Two Sandwiches

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    I wish he would show up at a hospital and ask to see patients. He doesn't have a sympathetic nerve in his body. (Throwing a medical pun at you). He doesn't have the balls, either.
     
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  9. NewRoxFan

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    Must be Friday...

     
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    btw son-in-law...

     
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    Folks, the scale of economic catastrophe, which, let me repeat, is orders of magnitude worse than any previous recession or slowdown, makes Trump's reelection effectively impossible under normal means. Like there is no way when half of America is defaulting on its mortgage and can't pay its rent he can win. And that is exactly where we are heading by November. Look at the unemployment chart on this, not the stock market.

    He should just resign now, get a nice pardon, and then blame Pence for being a loser in the fall. I know he can't see this, but this is the best play for him at the moment.
     
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    Not sure if repost but I had a good laugh

     
  14. T_Man

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    I saw this and it was great... she had no follow up ques..

    He flat out told the truth and fox was not prepared for that...

    T_Man
     
  15. NewRoxFan

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    trump and his supporters, including those here, will vote for him anyway. The line "could shoot someone in Times Square..." has never been more real.
     
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    another brilliant cost saving move by our dear leader.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-administration-ended-pandemic-early-233508840.html

    Trump administration ended pandemic early-warning program to detect coronaviruses
    Emily Baumgaertner, James Rainey
    LA TimesApril 2, 2020, 7:35 PM EDT

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    Months before the discovery of the deadly coronavirus in China, the Trump administration ended a program that helped laboratories around the world detect viruses that could spread from animals to humans and cause the next global pandemic. (AFP/Getty Images)

    Two months before the novel coronavirus is thought to have begun its deadly advance in Wuhan, China, the Trump administration ended a $200-million pandemic early-warning program aimed at training scientists in China and other countries to detect and respond to such a threat.

    The project, launched by the U.S. Agency for International Development in 2009, identified 1,200 different viruses that had the potential to erupt into pandemics, including more than 160 novel coronaviruses. The initiative, called PREDICT, also trained and supported staff in 60 foreign laboratories — including the Wuhan lab that identified SARS-CoV-2, the new coronavirus that causes COVID-19.

    Field work ceased when the funding ran out in September, and organizations that worked on the PREDICT program laid off dozens of scientists and analysts, said Peter Daszak, president of EcoHealth Alliance, a key player in the program.

    On Wednesday, USAID granted an emergency extension to the program, issuing $2.26 million over the next six months to send experts who will help foreign labs squelch the pandemic. But program leaders say the funding will do little to further the initiative's original mission.

    “Look at the name: Our efforts were to predict this before it happens. That’s the part of the program that was exciting — and that’s the part I’m worried about,” Daszak said.

    “It's absolutely critical that we don’t drop the idea of a large-scale, proactive, predictive program that tries to catch pandemics before they happen. Cutting a program that could in any way reduce the risk of things like COVID-19 happening again is, by any measure, shortsighted," he added.

    It is unclear whether another five-year grant would have dulled the impact of the current pandemic. But the Trump administration has come under increased criticism for its past moves to downgrade global health security, including proposals to slash funding to science agencies and the elimination of the National Security Council's key global health post.

    A spokesman for USAID said PREDICT was “just one component of USAID’s global health security efforts and accounted for less than 20% of our global health security funding.” He also said a new initiative to stop the spillover of viruses from animals to humans is scheduled to be awarded in August.

    The PREDICT project, which operated on two five-year funding cycles that formally concluded last September, enrolled both epidemiologists and wildlife veterinarians to examine the types of interactions between animals and humans that researchers suspect led to the current outbreak of COVID-19.

    The pandemic "didn’t surprise us, unfortunately,” said Jonna Mazet, executive director of the One Health Institute in the UC Davis School of Veterinary Medicine, who served as the global director of PREDICT for a decade. “The work had been ongoing for some time. And when the crisis hits, everybody stands up and takes notice and says, ‘OK, we believe you.’”

    The PREDICT project, launched in response to the 2005 H5N1 "bird flu" scare, gathered specimens from more than 10,000 bats and 2,000 other mammals in search of dangerous viruses. They detected about 1,200 viruses that could spread from wild animals to humans, signaling pandemic potential. More than 160 of them were novel coronaviruses, much like SARS-CoV-2.

    They also took blood samples from people in rural China, and learned that, in living among wildlife, they had been exposed to coronaviruses — a clear sign that, if those viruses spread easily among humans, they could take off. That “raised the red flag,” said Mazet.

    “Coronaviruses were jumping easily across species lines and were ones to watch for epidemics and pandemics,” she said.

    The program also trained nearly 7,000 people across medical and agricultural sectors in 30 countries in Asia, Africa and the Middle East to help them detect deadly new viruses on their own. One of those labs was the Wuhan Institute of Virology — the Chinese lab that quickly identified SARS-CoV-2, Mazet said.

    The Wuhan lab received USAID funding for equipment, and PREDICT coordinators connected the scientists there with researchers in other countries in order to synchronize tracking of novel viruses before SARS-CoV-2.

    The project's second funding cycle concluded on Sept. 30, 2019, less than two months before the new coronavirus probably began spreading. It was granted a zero-dollar six-month extension — through March 2020 — to write up final reports.

    Dennis Carroll, a widely respected scientist who headed USAID’s emerging threats division, oversaw the initiative for its duration, but retired around the time it was shut down. Carroll did not respond to an inquiry from The Times, but told the New York Times last year that by January 2019, the program had "essentially collapsed into hibernation," and that its conclusion was due to "the ascension of risk-averse bureaucrats."

    Other members of the consortium included Columbia University’s Center for Infection and Immunity and several institutes that manage major U.S. zoos.

    Earlier this year, as COVID-19 took off, U.S. lawmakers expressed frustration over the program's end.

    “Addressing and preventing the spread of coronavirus and potential pandemic disease outbreaks is a serious matter that requires adequate resources for and cooperation between experts throughout the federal government,” Sens. Elizabeth Warren and Angus King wrote in a letter to USAID's administrator earlier this year, asking for details on the decision.

    On Wednesday, the PREDICT program was extended through September to offer emergency technical assistance to foreign labs battling the coronavirus pandemic. To date, PREDICT-supported labs in Malaysia, Thailand and Indonesia are actively testing for coronavirus cases, Daszak said, and he has been sending reagents and other supplies to assist them.

    Meanwhile, in Rwanda, scientists who had been trained in the PREDICT program triggered early social distancing measures, Mazet said. “I do think that what we were doing has changed the outcomes for a lot of countries,” she said.

    “But unfortunately, not our own," she added.

    Daszak said he’s eager to further examine the hundreds of wildlife samples collected during the PREDICT initiative over the years, looking to identify whether any of them could have been intermediate hosts for the virus currently sweeping the globe.

    But with the limited budget and timeline, efforts to continue in-depth field work under PREDICT will be minimal. Most of the extension funding will be focused on squelching the current outbreak, not preventing the next.

    “It’s common sense to know your enemy,” Daszak said. "Instead, we’re all hiding inside our houses as we wait around for a vaccine — that’s not a good global strategy to battling a dangerous virus."
     
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    Is he self-aware that he's a trust fund baby?
     
  18. pirc1

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    Never under estimate what the US voter can accomplish.
     
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    I get what your saying but use common sense.

    No president republican or Democrat would ever be allowed anywhere near a hospital with infected people during a pandemic.

    Whether you like trump or not him getting sick and even worse dying would be terrible for America right now.

    This is a time for all Americans to actually listen to the president because hes actually listening to others and doing what we all should be doing shutting down schools restaurants telling ppl to do social distancing.

    right now is not the time for politics it’s for unity and standing with our president, governors and Mayors.

    if your still on the FU trump crap then you got some series issues. No need for that right now.

    when this is over do whatever you want and say whatever you want about him but right now. I can’t get with anyone that’s about that.

    if you don’t like what I said block me cause your an idiot we have a very serious issue going on not only in our country but across the world. Talking crap to each other is fun but right now the world does not need that.

    Their is only one race and that’s the human race and as an American trump is our president those are facts.
     
  20. biina

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    Whatever you are smoking is likely more dangerous than Covid19
     

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