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KAT defends Harden against NBA Twitter

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaBeard, Mar 14, 2020.

  1. smoothie_king

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    Does losing to those teams make harden honorable mention runner up?

    Heat almost swept harden and okc early and so did warriors!

    Average teams like blazer eliminated harden and so did the spurs!

    The average teams that beat harden did so in heavily contested seven game series!

    Don't forget McHale had to bench harden in that clippers series so harden didn't necessarily carry the rockets to beating the clippers in 2015 by himself!
     
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  2. Fefo

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    i dont take KAT s opinion very seriously. He is a loser, could not led a team to the playoffs, despite his incredible talent.
    Harden is great, and can make a team a playoff contender by himself. He still dosent have a single iconic great moment in the playoffs, but hopefully, he has one on him, coz if he dosent, well, he is not a great playoff performer, despite the great numbers.
    Its not all about stats, its about winning and being a close second to one of the most talented teams is history, is not enough sadly.
    This is why defense is so important, coz when you have off nights or are facing a great defense and you cant score, you still impact the game. Guys like Lebron, Hakeem, Jordan, Duncan, they all knew this, and thats why the are winners. Maybe harden is more talented than all of them, i dont know, but i sure know i will take any of those guys for a playoff game, and some other guys that are definitely less talented than him , to win in the playoffs.
     
  3. Caesar

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    It just goes to show how important teammates and health is. Look at Anthony Davis. Of course an amazing all time talent. Now lebronies will say he couldn't get out of the first round until LeBron carried him.
     
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    Teammates are really important. But with Anthony Davis, I'm still not convinced he can lead any team to success. I think he may be a fantastic second banana, and maybe can grow into a legit n1, learning from LeBron, but so far, in his career hes never shown anything else that incredible talent and lots of losses.
     
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    Except Harden was a great player even without Dantoni or in a high usage, he played with Scott Brooks as sixth man. First one to 80 wins loll.....bruh is this a serious argument.

    Really? That's an argument? Lol if T-Mac just worked harder on his 3 pointer he would have been great, only when he was really allowed to.....is this for real. Mentle Freedom......cmon dude this is ridciculous.
     
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    Rule bending....bro...How am I supposed to take you seriously when you say stuff like this.
     
  7. Theking

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    He was in treasures the night before drinking corona
     
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    so who is limiting Tmac then? JVG? Yao? Or himself?
    Touch foul happy era? Wade average 16 FTA in the prior year’s finals. So if TMac was aggressive enough, then he could get at least 10 FTA in that series.
    And lol at mental freedom. That is the lamest excuse I’ve seen so far.
     
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  9. bmelo

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    Harden is a choker not because he plays overaly worse than someone. He is choker because he sets a standard for himself, team is built around him and then he dissappears when he is needed the most. T-mac for all his failures played WAY BETTER in the playoffs than in regular season when he was in his prime. He played defense, he played offense and was the only reason those bum rockets teams were even in play. Your idol Yao with his 7'5 couldnt catch a pass while being defended by Memeth Okur
     
  10. Reeko

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    LMAO, if Harden played down to T-Mac’s level in the regular season averaging 25 and 6 on bad efficiency, then he’d be WAY BETTER in the playoffs than in the regular season too...terrible argument
     
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    u can put Harden in any system in any era and he’ll be 1 of the best scorers we’ve ever seen, this is what u fail to understand...it doesn’t matter if it’s JVG, McHale, Thibs, Larry Brown, or any other coach with a suspect offensive system

    Harden is far better than T-Mac offensively despite all these lame excuses u keep coming up with

    lmao, T-Mac had 35% usage rates in 05-06 and 06-07...he averaged 25 points

    Harden doesn’t need to chuck threes in order to be such a devastating scorer...in 14-15 under freaking Kevin McHale he was averaging 27 on just 18 shots and 7 threes...let him have taken 22 shots a game like T-Mac and he’d have averaged at least 30 back then

    T-Mac was allowed to chuck up whatever he wanted, please stop the nonsense and these weak attempts at re-writing history

    McGrady was 2nd, 4th, and 5th in field goal attempts under JVG...Harden didn’t even average as many shot attempts a game as McGrady normally did until last season

    so basically T-Mac would have the 3rd highest career ppg average in NBA history only behind MJ and Wilt...u T-Mac stans are just delusional
     
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  12. bmelo

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    NO. T-mac played better under pressure than Harden. And it hits harder, when Harden goes around with 40ppg in RS. He keeps us in games and series, but he doesnt win those who are toughest battles. He just goes absent, hides from the ball etc. T-mac for his level of talent elevated it in the playoffs. Maybe its because T-Mac was top2 most athletic player in a decade and Harden relies on fooling opponent not just raw dominating? I dont know
     
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    My opinion is the game has evolved and even in the past, role players proved to be closers and clutch.

    Stars do not need to carry the team as they used to.

    I endorse that development when guys like Siakam and Van Vleet become weapons.

    Big Shot Bob/Rob
    Derek Fisher (yikes)
    Rasheed Wallace (Allstar though)
    Kenny Smith
    Mario Elie
    Steve Kerr
    Josh Smith?

    Rozier
    DJ Augustin
    Baby Davis

     
  14. Reeko

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    What do u mean no? T-Mac was not good under pressure. Y’all really need to stop with these lies. He often wilted and resorted to chucking up jumpers.

    He was up 2-0 against Utah with HCA and lost averaging 25 points on 24 shots while shooting 39% from the field and 25% from 3. That is absolutely atrocious. Let Harden have done that in the 1st round against an opponent on the level of that Utah team and he’d have been roasted alive. T-Mac did it, and all I see is lame excuses.

    Again, it’s not hard to elevate from 25 ppg on atrocious efficiency. Harden elevating his game in the playoffs means averaging 35+ on elite efficiency. If Harden averaged 25 and 6 in the regular season, then he’d have elevated to an entirely new tier just by playing like he normally does in the postseason, but because Harden’s level of play is so much higher than McGrady’s in the regular season and just in general, we say he regresses come playoff time if he averages his usual 28, 6, and 7.

    Top 2 most athletic, but still was more than willing to chuck up jumpers all game. T-Mac was a waste.

    07 playoffs: 8-17, 9-29, 9-23, 6-18, 11-25, 8-23, and 12-25...was up 2-0, but could not win a single game in Utah as he pretty much no-showed in all 3 games...but for him, that’s “elevating his play”
     
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    in the 2005 playoffs, we had a chance to go up 3-0 on the Mavs, but T-Mac doesn’t score in the 4th until 2:30 is left in the game...at that point we were down by 9 after being up by as much as 8 points in the 4th

    in game 4, he scores 2 points in the 4th as we lose by 4 even tho we led by 6 with just over 3 minutes remaining

    he had at least 3 great opportunities to get out of the 1st round: up 3-1 against Detroit in 2003, up 2-0 against the Mavs in 2005, and up 2-0 against Utah in 07...he failed to deliver each and every time

    this wasn’t a finals or conference finals series against some stacked team like GS either...no this was in the 1st round against teams that were pretty good at best

    T-Mac wilted like a dead flower under pressure almost every time...and we’re talking about 1st round pressure...imagine this dude in a conference finals
     
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    except Harden has played in twice as many playoff games as McGrady while playing several teams that would absolutely murder the best team T-Mac ever faced in the postseason...McGrady also shot the ball almost 25 times a game in his prime and had 35% usage to get his playoff numbers...meanwhile, Harden averages 21 shots and 33% usage to get his Houston playoff numbers

    those are the facts
     
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    And would you say the same for Kevin Garnet?
     
  18. Caesar

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    OLD NBA under Stern would have shut that step back down and made it illegal. 100% in my mind they wouldn't let him get away with it. Even the euro step was in question back then.
     
  19. Caesar

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    Disagreed about Harden just having his way in any era...and what do you think T-Mac was going to average when the scores were regularly under 80pts? You're naïve if you think Harden or any of his peers are putting up these statistical outputs in T-Macs era.
     
  20. Caesar

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    Swap the players and results are probably pretty similar. McGrady would wreck the league if he got to play with the talent Harden has had to play with since day 1. You can be as mentally strong as any out there, but lack of trust in your teammates and GM and coaches eventually wears on you mentally. Even Kobe demanded a trade when he for once didn't have a stacked team he had to carry. Swap Kobe and T-Macs career paths and were talking about TMac as 2nd best SG ever.
     

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