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So the Astros 2017 title is tainted

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by rockets13champs, Nov 12, 2019.

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  1. lnchan

    lnchan Sugar Land Leonard

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    Severino now out indefinitely.
     
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    Somehow, someway, that is the Astros fault. :D:rolleyes:



    Paxon, Severino, Judge's shoulder being "cranky", ... I hope Cole is next!

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    Well if we win... "The Yankees would have won if healthy"
     
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    Yep, Fiers should get turned on by everyone in the media that's been hyping this story for months now for not giving back his ring. It won't happen though as the folks hyping it up are ignoring anything that goes against their narrative at this point in time.
     
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    Forearm soreness? Tommy John city.
     
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    lets hope!
     
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    Sure, Joe, that's why the Yankees got disciplined for using unauthorized methods that season...because you guys were completely clean.:rolleyes:
     
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    So, the A's said they were able to adjust every pitch because they knew the Astros were up to something. I would only suspect the Yankees had the same knowledge in 2018 and 2019 given Beltran's involvement, thus there was absolutely no way for the Astros to gain a competitive advantage against those teams.
     
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    “That’s an interesting line that we’re tiptoeing because everybody everywhere is mad,” Sox right-hander Evan Marshall said Thursday. “Dallas, you respect the hell out what he’s done on the field as a player. No scandal can take away what he did as a Cy Young winner. It’s one of those things where nobody’s really talked to him about it. He’s made his public comments.”

    So no cause for concern about a rift or tension in the clubhouse?

    “With Dallas? No,” Marshall said. “He’s been just a great teammate in the short time he’s been here. A guy like that who has a lot to offer as far as teaching the young players and really just leading by example. That’s really not the way you would envision that relationship going. Nobody’s approaching Dallas to yell at him about that. If guys want to talk about it, he’s approachable.”

    Marshall and Keuchel disagree on whether the 2017 title should be stripped from the Astros, but teammates aren’t shunning Keuchel, perhaps in part because hitters — not pitchers — benefited from the illegal sign stealing.

    “We accept everybody,” shortstop Tim Anderson said. “That’s something he was [associated with], not something he’s doing. We just want to win. That situation has nothing to do with us.”

    Anderson said the Sox are tired of talking and hearing about the Astros.

    “They cheated, but that’s cool, let them play — don’t suspend them,” Anderson said. “That way we go into Houston, we got to knock their heads off. For real, man.”

    As for Keuchel, “everybody makes mistakes,” Anderson said. “It’s how you own up to it.”

    And the way he did went a long way in the clubhouse, catcher James McCann said.

    “He didn’t beat around the bush,” McCann said. “And from an individual numbers [standpoint], did he really benefit [from] it? I don’t know, maybe wins and losses. Who knows exactly the truth? But for me personally, I believe he’s apologized and asked for forgiveness, so all I can do is pass my forgiveness on. There’s no judgment on my part.”

    Anger about what happened, but no axes to grind with Keuchel.

    “Everybody is mad,” Marshall said, “but Dallas is a great guy in the short time I’ve known him. With him signing a multiyear deal and being here for a while, that’s just a relationship we all want to start fresh now and build on and not worry about something that happened previously.

    “Quietly, you can have individual conversations. Sure, you can pick his brain and say, ‘Hey, what happened here? Why was it happening? How deep does it go?’ But everyone just wants to move on to 2020.”

    Keuchel said the Astros “earned the right to be World Series champs” but Marshall believes a blank space should stand where the 2017 champion is listed “to remind everybody what happened.”

    “Maybe that would prevent it from happening in the future,” he said.

    The Astros will be motivated to prove they can win without operating a scam. So will teams that face them, including the Sox.

    “We coming for everyone the same way, but they have a little icing on their cake,” Anderson said. “They cheated so many games we played, we got to make it sweet for them. Keep ‘em in there, let them play. We’re trying to knock everybody’s heads off, from the owner down to the trainer. Everybody, it don’t matter. If you’re a Houston Astro, we’re coming.”
     
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    So before the 2019 season began, Carlos Beltran spent the offseason doing this for the Yankees. Is all of this evidence put together not enough to warrant an investigation?

    Carlos Beltran
    2014 Yankees
    2015 Yankees
    2016.Yankees
    2017 Astros
    2018 Yankees
    2019 Yankees

    Is Carlos Beltran a mole?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...r5Wdz96fKFAfubmfmwFPyeqzKOx2vb25DXUdvN1bycpD8

    "Over the winter, there was an unusual sight in the offices of Yankee Stadium. For a few days, amid the busy period as front-office employees reshaped rosters with trades and signings, Carlos Beltran was sitting among them, learning how to use the club’s internal networks to view video..."
     
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    lol, the cringe is real.
     
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    The ongoing belittlement of the belittlers is bewildering :(
     
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    My Lord...

     
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    Nice! I AM F*CKING IN!
     
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    Love it! Logo borrowed lol
     
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