LOL. He better beef up his security cause my money is on her if there was ever a fist fight between the two.
What I don’t like about Pete is his answer to m4all. It is intellectually dishonest when he brings up about people losing their m plans. Medical for all covers everyone. How many people like their doctors but don’t like dealing with their insurance companies. M4all eliminates insurance companies premiums and deductibles. Eliminates the possibility of getting rejected by insurance companies. I hate his answers which fuels GOP talking points of m4all.
To. Bloombergs point he was not ready. I don’t know why he wanted to join this debate. He is not even on the ticket. He had little prep time compared to everyone else.
This will get lost in tonight's fireworks, but things couldn't have gone any better for Sanders so for in this race. None of the moderates are going to dropout anytime soon so we won't find out Bernie's ceiling in a head-to-head until way after Super Tuesday maybe even late March or early April. By then, Bernie will have collected a bunch outright victories with only 25% of the total vote and will have gathered a plurality of delegates. I keep hearing every single day just how much this board hates Bernie and is sick of his socialist even "communist" ways. Well, then get your act together and rally around someone who can go up against Bernie soon cause Bloomberg ain't it. The Biden folks, the Buttigieg folks, and the Klobuchar folks need to get together and make some kind of concession. 2 out of those 3 need to dropout from this race soon or else it's Bernie winning states the rest of the way. That's just the reality of the situation and I'm happy to see Bernie just cruise to more victories.
Probably to avoid a stigma that Trump was bound to jump on with the whole mini-mike being too afraid to fight a face to face fight.
I really don’t understand how Pete and others say you can’t keep your plan. But with m4all you can lose it. This is such a dishonest answer. M4all means that everyone gets cover with no deductibles. M4all means one payer system. You still see the same dr. But you don’t have to worry about being rejected by your insurance company. Worrying if you in the plans coverage area.
Tonight i watched with closed captioning so only could see and read and here is what i saw bernie - condescending grandfather who says the same thing in the same manner Amy - too angry and defensive and seemed very egotistical and smug Bloomberg - arrogant and low eq. He is clearly very educated but man came across as very condescending. Pete - a bit disingenuous and very very smug warren - desperate for attention and relevance winner: biden but may be too late.
Well, it's technically correct. If everybody's on a single payer system, nobody will be on the plan they're currently on. What I object to is the line about the 160 million people who get their insurance through their employer "getting kicked off the plans they love." I'm sure that are many people who like the insurance they have. But there are also many who f*cking hate their insurance. My insurance doesn't pay for crap. I had better coverage when I was on Obamacare.
There are three dishonest points against medicare 4 all. 1. It cost so much money - in reality, it will likely be cheaper than our current system, and that's with EVERYBODY getting quality coverage, we currently have 80+ million people un or underinsured. 30k+ dying, 500k going bankrupt. 2. You are taking away the healthcare of 160+ million people - in reality, nobody loses healthcare... the whole point of M4A is to give quality coverage to every single American. 3. You loose choice - in reality, we don't have a choice right now, employers can change your plans at will with zero input from employees, people constantly struggle to find or keep doctors in-network. That's not even bringing up the choice poor people without any healthcare have, which is obviously the single option of eating ****. M4A gives much more choice. No candidate outside of Sanders/Warren in running on universal healthcare, everybody else is running on healthcare that would both cost more than M4A, and leaves millions of the most vulnerable Americans uninsured.
Based on tonight... 1) Warren 2) Biden 3) Pete 4) Bernie 5) Amy 6) Bloomberg Some takeaways: -Warren is going to be praised as the clear winner. She was aggressive. She had viral moments. During that first hour she absolutely brutalized Bloomberg. I repeat: BRUTALIZED. Received a lot of applause. She might have a 1.7% chance of winning the general, but tonight was a major victory for her and her struggling campaign. Side note: like I said earlier, Elizabeth Warren attempting to lecture people on plans for healthcare is very comical. It’s the singular reason why she’s in the here-but-barely-hanging-on position she’s currently in. -Biden is other winner. Did he have any gaffes? Did he take any punches? Did he engage in any ugly back & forths? Nope. His people wisely had him limit his speaking time. He kept his hands clean. I’d be surprised if he doesn’t gain some ground from people turned off by Bloomberg. -Bloomberg during hour #1 was hard to watch. He was a punching bag, had several cringeworthy comments on sexual harassment and the like, and overall looked bored and in over his head. Hour #2, though, he started to wake up. In particular, issues like climate change. He started to show some confidence and ability to throw a counterpunch. He also attacked Bernie on being a millionaire owning three houses. Overall, it was still a bad night for him and he’s going to take a hit. Bloomberg portrays a Trump-lite persona. He shamelessly flaunts his wealth and status. Doesn’t pretend to be friends with the people on stage. Has a ton of baggage. Doesn’t play nice. Still, though, knows they’re a political force. Doesn’t seem to care about optics. -Klobuchar had a rough night. For the first time, the candidates on stage treated her like a frontrunner — frequent attacks lobbed at her. It annoys me, but she let herself get frazzled by the Latina woman that asked the gotcha question about the Mexican President. She knew it was coming. Then, also predictably, Pete jumped in on the pile and she lost her cool. As a Klobuchar supporter, it was hard to watch. I knew this sort of barrage was headed her way after NH, and if I were advising her I would have had her watching as many Hillary videos as possible. Be stoic. Deep breath. Don’t allow yourself to get emotional! That said, she might have led all candidates in speaking time and was in the fray the entire time. That’s the biggest positive takeaway from tonight if you’re her. She was able able to hit Pete on his thin resume and people come after you for a reason. -Pete was very predictable. Not a bad night for him, but he did take some punches. Was a frequent target of Bernie and Warren. The exchanges between him and Klobuchar were ugly, and deeply reeked of an obvious personal disdain both have been masking for quite some time. He jumped on piles. Inserted himself into discussions that weren’t directed at him. Typical Pete: smart, prepared and somewhat likeable....yet also very manufactured and inauthentic. His stock will continue to rise, though. -Bernie benefited from Bloomberg’s novelty presence and wasn’t attacked in the sense that a frontrunner normally is. He was also able to survive the awkward medical records topic without taking any punches. -MSNBC sucks. Numerous times candidates had their names mentioned without the opportunity to respond. -It took me close to an hour to realize Tom Steyer wasn’t there on stage.
This is weird to me. I don't know what polls qualify and what don't, but he's polling in 3rd overall in SC, and all 6 polls in 2020 have him between 13% and 20%. While I think he's a sideshow overall, I'm surprised he didn't qualify for the debate given that SC polling was one route to do it: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/e...ina_democratic_presidential_primary-6824.html
In terms of this debate (I didn't see it), it's interesting to see most people think the lower tier candidates (Warren, Pete, Biden) did the best while the two leaders (Bernie, Bloomberg) not so much. That said, I think debates are largely overrated - the NH one mattered because NH voters really paid attention. I'm not sure it's the same in Nevada, and most indications are that maybe 50-80% of the voters there early-voted this year (first time they've had it, but early voting totaled almost as much as the total Nevada vote in 2016). And whoever wins Nevada (almost certainly Bernie) will control the news cycle and this debate will be forgotten. And we have yet another debate in 6 days, so that will then be the new news cycle. That said, I do see a small opening for Biden here. If Bloomberg gets knocked down, Biden is the potential beneficiary *if* he can hold on and win South Carolina. If he could finish 2nd in Nevada and 1st in SC, he could dominate the south on Super Tuesday while Bernie wins with his 30-40% everywhere else, and again position himself as a viable Bernie-alternative. Kind of crazy to think about it, but with Amy/Pete not consolidating and maybe Warren stealing a bit back from Bernie, it does leave an opening.
Biden had his best performance but the bar was so low for him that I still wasn't impressed. For Biden to do well all he had to do was stay conscious and speak mostly legible sentences. Pete and Warren looked pretty good. It was a rough night for Amy. Sanders was par for Sanders. Bloomberg started out horrible but improved a little bit. However, I still had the bad taste in my mouth from the first part of the debate so he didn't overcome it. This was also an on-par night for Tom Steyer. He got about the same speaking time.
No one other than Warren really was note worthy. She did what she does well, she roasted someone that pissed her off. Sanders was blah. His same 5 points repeated gets old. I watched him and thought “This guy is a socialist, he isn’t even a democrat... and he really may get the nomination by default... four more years of Trump... the majority of the country isn’t falling for this BS.” Bloomberg was terrible the first hour but was much improved in hour two. He is arrogant... it is no longer Biden and Sanders fighting over who is most arrogant... it is Bloomberg and he doesn’t apologize for it. He is very sharp and in his own way had charisma once he loosened up.
I watched tonight out of curiosity. My first Dem debate and the first time in years I've watched MSNBC. THAT was entertaining as hell. A party at war with itself with only one unifying message. Get Trump out.
I don’t think they are all that unified on that point... some would rather stand on their soap box even if it means defeat
