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[OFFICIAL] Michael Bloomberg for President 2020

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  1. Commodore

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    What a Bloomberg presidency would aspire to:

    https://www.city-journal.org/the-nanny-state-of-the-uk

    Nannied from Dawn to Dusk
    Few advanced nations can compete with the U.K. for intrusive regulations of everyday life.
    Oliver Wiseman
    February 3, 2020

    Last fall, the United Kingdom’s outgoing Chief Medical Officer, Sally Davies, published a report on childhood obesity. Among her proposals for “bold action” were measures to “allow children to grow up free from marketing signals and incentives to consume unhealthy food and drinks,” including the suggestion that the government “prohibit eating and drinking on urban public transport, except fresh water, breastfeeding and for medical conditions.” Such intrusiveness into everyday life, and its tenuous justification—that adults must not set a bad example for children by, say, snacking on the go—made the announcement a watershed in the growing British habit of taxing, banning, and tut-tutting an ever-longer list of perfectly ordinary activities.

    In 2016, the government announced a nationwide tax on sugary soft drinks. London’s Mayor Sadiq Khan has banned junk-food advertising on public transport in the capital. (Even an ad for organic grocery delivery raised objections because the food pictured included jam, butter, and bacon.) In one of her last acts as prime minister last summer, Theresa May published a paper suggesting higher taxes on milkshakes and a ban on energy-drink purchases by children, and setting a goal for a smoke-free Britain by 2030—surely a target that cannot be met without prohibition. This comes on top of extensive sin taxes on alcohol and cigarettes. The U.K. ranked fourth on 2019’s Nanny State Index, a listing of the “worst places in the EU to eat, drink, smoke and vape,” compiled by Epicenter, a think tank.

    Davies’s resignation wish list also included plain packaging for unhealthy food and caps on calories per serving. In 2018, the government asked food manufacturers to remove 20 percent of the calories from their products by 2024. Facing the threat of state action if they failed to do so, their compliance is voluntary in only the narrowest sense. The government has also set the food industry a challenge of reducing sugar in foods like cereals, candy, yogurts, ice cream, and cakes by 20 percent this year.

    It isn’t just what Brits choose to eat, drink, or inhale. Last summer, a new code from the Advertising Standards Agency came into effect, banning advertisements showing “gender stereotypes that are likely to cause harm, or serious or widespread offensive.” When a Volkswagen advertisement ran afoul of the rules because three people complained that it depicted a “woman in a care-giving role” (a mother), it became clear that these rules would be used as a pretext for extensive intervention in how companies communicate with customers.

    Nanny-state measures chip away at the divide between the personal and the political—and they are bipartisan. Since 2010, Conservative-led governments have not shown much resistance to paternalistic interventions that one would regard as the natural preserve of the Left. Nor have they shown much appetite to stand up to trigger-happy bureaucrats. If the Right, while in power, makes no principled objections to bans on food and drink, why should conservatives or pro-market liberals expect the Left to show restraint when it gets its turn? If advertisers are not permitted to deviate from a centrally determined set of values, why not prohibit dissenting voices altogether?

    Nanny-statism also swells the ranks of bureaucrats whose instincts, almost by definition, are unlikely to be laissez-faire. Manning the desks of quangos—quasi-autonomous nongovernment organizations—are meddlers who, if left unsupervised, will only expand state intrusions into daily life. They are also given pulpits, and the credibility of an important-sounding job title, from which to criticize the government for not doing enough. The result is a trend of ever-diminishing freedom.

    A conservatism less generous than left-wing alternatives with the public purse but just as disapproving and distrusting of people to make decisions for themselves is not appealing. Standing up to the nanny state and embracing small but tangible freedoms, as well as those bigger but more abstract, makes for a stronger contrast with a humorless Left. It also puts the Right on the side of poorer Britons, on whom the burden of the nanny state weighs heaviest. George Orwell understood this point. As he wrote in The Road to Wigan Pier, “The less money you have, the less inclined you feel to spend it on wholesome food . . . . when you are unemployed, which is to say when you are underfed, harassed, bored, and miserable, you don’t want to eat dull wholesome food.”

    This is something that another old Etonian, Britain’s prime minister Boris Johnson, seems to understand. Taxes on less healthy food “clobber those who can least afford it,” he said during the Conservative party leadership election last summer, promising to end the “continuing creep of the nanny state.” It’s no coincidence that populists across Europe—including, in the U.K., leading Brexit campaigner Nigel Farage—fashion an image as hard-living, fun-loving drinkers and smokers. It’s a small but meaningful way of implying that they stand with the average voter. Armed with a parliamentary majority, Johnson should go beyond such symbolism and roll back these small-scale intrusions.

    Millions in the West today feel a sense of powerlessness in the face of economic and cultural forces beyond their control. Sometimes, though, the tipping point to action is more mundane—it was an increase in fuel duties, for example, that sparked the Gilets Jaunes protests in France. In the eighteenth century, the introduction of a gin tax helped spark violent riots across London. “No gin, no king,” was the crowd’s chant. Britons might not be about to take to the streets over the prices of soft drinks or the ability to drink coffee on the Tube, but politicians ignore the meaning of these everyday freedoms at their peril.

    Oliver Wiseman is the U.S. editor of The Critic.​
     
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    The narrow path for Bloomberg seems to be blowing wide open. I don't know if his ad campaigning will work, but it seems like there's a good chance Warren and Amy are done before Super Tuesday. Pete is unlikely to do well in NV/SC and the Super Tuesday states aren't his strength, so that could eliminate him. Biden seems to be in free fall. That would really only leave Bloomberg as the anti-Bernie.
     
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    I like Pete and Bloomberg, I don't mind Joe and I guess I will accept Warren, hopefully it is not Bernie.
     
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    I think Pete is gonna continue to surprise in both NV and SC, it seems that he is the second choice with Biden folks.

    Bloomberg is not going to be able to withstand his stop and frisk comments in the long run.
     
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    I hope so (I'd love for Pete to win but I'd be happy with Bloomberg, his crazy campaignstyle notwithstanding). It's just a huge mountain to climb to go from 0% minority support to doing well in NV and SC in a matter of weeks, and then having the money to introduce yourself to the Super Tuesday states in the 3-day period between SC and Super Tuesday. I hope he can pull it off, though.
     
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    I just have a feeling, I think when more people hear him talk and actually look at his policies they will come around.

    He will also benefit that they really have nowhere else to go.

    I think Pete will be more attractive than Bernie.
     
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    I’m curious.... the last 2-3 people to comment. How old are you guys ??
     
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    Old, but not as ancient as some here :).
     
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    I'm more interested in finding the anti-Bloomberg candidate.
     
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    Do you actually believe this?
     
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    Why?

    I am a young 50.

    Still love rap and sneakers.

    :D

    I am also black.
     
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    I’m just taking stock with people I encounter in life. It seems like people younger than you (and I) are seeing more and more through the BS that is cable news and our state of government and everything else.

    Supporting Bloomberg seems like the most asinine choice out there to me.
     
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    if by "this" you mean Bloomberg going all out to implement his own personal vision of the nanny state, then yes. I believe Bloomberg to be one of the greatest nanny state politicians America has yet produced. :D
     
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    You do know he just proposed those those things.

    Maybe he was just being provocative and starting a discussion since you like to that.

    What did he actually do that was nanny state since he is greatest that America has produced?
     
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    I am not a fan of Bloomberg but I think he would make a good president.
     
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    Well you know the old saying" The golden rule; he who has the gold makes the rules." Bloomberg gave the DNC $300,000 dollars directly and then another $800,000 to their PAC and then they changed the rules so he could be on this night's debate. The media loves the guy he will soon be spending $500 million or more on ads with their business.

    I guess this pretty much solves the question of whether we live in an oligarchy.
     
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    You already have him - Bernie! He is basically the antithesis of Bloomberg.
     
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