1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

After the loss to MEM, I work on a spreadsheet to find out clues

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DeBeards, Jan 16, 2020.

  1. Os Trigonum

    Os Trigonum Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2014
    Messages:
    72,906
    Likes Received:
    111,090
    he didn't say that. He said, "not a gifted 3 point shooter". Anybody who has seen Harden's step-back will take issue with what OP actually said.
     
    Reeko, D-rock, hakeem94 and 1 other person like this.
  2. DeBeards

    DeBeards Member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2019
    Messages:
    15,116
    Likes Received:
    31,380
    he can cut down his 3PA and useless dribbles, especially while his mojo is not there, either passing the ball to teammates with better opportunities or driving the lane for a floater.
    neglecting the situation, stubbornly jerking up avg. 12-13 3s a game, let team efforts at cost. it's crazy.
     
    #22 DeBeards, Jan 16, 2020
    Last edited: Jan 16, 2020
    hakeem94 likes this.
  3. steddinotayto

    steddinotayto Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2001
    Messages:
    19,116
    Likes Received:
    20,867
    again, you're trying to re-condition Harden to change his way of playing and that's a hard ask when:

    1. we have a lameduck coach that seems to have no interest in installing any system in his last season with this team
    2. he's put up the most prolific offensive onslaught the past few seasons the NBA has seen in a long time

    we can't change Harden until we get a new coach next season. in addition, with how much say/control Harden has of this organization, I doubt he'll want someone that will come in and change him.
     
    D-rock and DeBeards like this.
  4. jamisonrocket

    jamisonrocket Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2009
    Messages:
    1,389
    Likes Received:
    3,116
    Na I just have the attention span of a Nat. Don't take me being a dummy personal
     
    Os Trigonum and DeBeards like this.
  5. DeBeards

    DeBeards Member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2019
    Messages:
    15,116
    Likes Received:
    31,380
    fully agreed
    that's why @Rocket River pondering over my conclusions #18
     
  6. deb4rockets

    deb4rockets Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    19,755
    Likes Received:
    25,669
    It can't hurt to try.
     
    Dacamel likes this.
  7. maw7079_2000

    maw7079_2000 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2002
    Messages:
    95
    Likes Received:
    103
    Problem is we focus too much on offense. Defense is something that can be consistently elite. It’ll win you games. There’s a flaw in thinking if we make shots our defense can get set and be better. That’s CRAZY! Rockets need to set the tone defensively. Take pride. Make every possession a nightmare.
     
  8. JackLordsHair66

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2018
    Messages:
    2,421
    Likes Received:
    2,186
    I don’t need see it happening as well, even with a new coach and system likely next year it feels like Harden is so entrenched in Guam mindset now with regard to only jacking up 3s no matter whether he has it going or not or driving and counting on a foul being called that isn’t happening much now. He just seems to be playing super stubborn ball the last few weeks and it’s clear he is burnt out a bit and playing more sloppily, and laze than he was 3 weeks ago. I know the guy carries and incredible load for this team but he isn’t helping himself much with his overall play and effort lately.
     
    steddinotayto likes this.
  9. topfive

    topfive CF OG

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    19,031
    Likes Received:
    37,417
    I think a longer rotation will win you more games than it will lose you, especially if you're smart about it. 8-9 guys every night would be nice.
     
    D-rock likes this.
  10. steddinotayto

    steddinotayto Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2001
    Messages:
    19,116
    Likes Received:
    20,867
    It's a double edged sword and I believe most of us see it. On one hand you have an offensive monster that can carry an entire piss-poor team into the playoffs. On the other hand if you're going to ask Harden to offload his onslaught you better have a pretty damn good 2nd option in play that can convince him "okay, he can be the 1B to my 1A". CP3 worked perfectly in 2017/2018 because we had a better supporting cast around both stars. Westbrook looks to be coming into his own lately but it's still a work in progress.

    With all of that said, I have to give credit to Harden in that he's been amendable to changing his play. He did it the first year MDA came on board and he's changed somewhat when CP3 was here and now with Russ. I don't know if we can get the "right" coach and the "right" supporting cast for him all in the same year though.
     
    D-rock likes this.
  11. steddinotayto

    steddinotayto Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2001
    Messages:
    19,116
    Likes Received:
    20,867
    the long term effect of this is that it builds confidence all around:

    Your stars are more confident with the role players and can trust them more during the playoffs
    Your coach is more confident in the role players that he has options to go to during the playoffs
    Your role players are more confident and can perform/excel during the playoffs

    Popovich has been doing this for decades. MDA just likes the boom-or-bust approach and, unfortunately for him, it's been more bust.
     
    slothy420, D-rock and topfive like this.
  12. topfive

    topfive CF OG

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    19,031
    Likes Received:
    37,417
    Yep to all the above. Plus your stars are better rested late in the season and in the playoffs when you actually NEED to shorten the rotations a bit.
     
    slothy420, D-rock and steddinotayto like this.
  13. J Sizzle

    J Sizzle Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2012
    Messages:
    43,499
    Likes Received:
    29,548
    This is obviously correct, as many other top teams in the league do this, but with MDA, it is a moot point. He will never do this.
     
    DeBeards, topfive and steddinotayto like this.
  14. JackLordsHair66

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2018
    Messages:
    2,421
    Likes Received:
    2,186
    All good and fair points and I agree 100%, I would argue that Russ isn’t that 2nd guy entirely but he has been playing on the whole a lot better since the early part of the season, where we are in big trouble is the rest of this roster. There isn’t one consistent shooter to be found, Ego is still woeking his way back into form the rest are just below average to bad shooters. This is on Tilman, Morey and Dantoni hence why I am certain this experiment is done at the end of this season. The entire offseason was pretty poorly planned imo.
     
    steddinotayto likes this.
  15. steddinotayto

    steddinotayto Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2001
    Messages:
    19,116
    Likes Received:
    20,867
    I've said it before and I'll say it again--for a team that shoots 3s at an astronomical rate over the past 4-5 years it's surprising that we've never had a legit marksman from that range other than Ryan Anderson.
     
    D-rock and seeingred like this.
  16. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 1999
    Messages:
    61,637
    Likes Received:
    29,048
    Defense kills us more than anything
    and unfortunately it is only matched with our offense
    We good on Offense we lock down
    miss some shots and they get loose

    Rocket River
     
  17. RocketsFido

    RocketsFido Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2013
    Messages:
    8,971
    Likes Received:
    10,094
    Do you think Morey makes spreadsheets these days knowing he's probably gone after this season?
     
  18. deb4rockets

    deb4rockets Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    19,755
    Likes Received:
    25,669
    He can't and won't do that with MDA as coach. He thinks the answer to a slump is to shoot through it, and eventually they will fall. Some of his highest 3pt attempt games were also his worst percentage games.
     
    DeBeards likes this.
  19. SF3isBack!!

    SF3isBack!! Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2007
    Messages:
    10,163
    Likes Received:
    1,879
    Enough the Rockets just need more talent. This reads like another blame Harden post.
     
    D-rock likes this.
  20. juanm34

    juanm34 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2009
    Messages:
    6,723
    Likes Received:
    7,787
    Here’s your clue!

    [​IMG]
     
    hakeem94 likes this.

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now