trump appeals to the worst traits in all people. Selfishness. Greed. Jealousy. Anger. Fear. Dishonesty. Pride. Hate. Those that support him politically are simply acting on those traits.
This sounds like what a trump supporter might say... "don't point out all the bad things trump does". "Don't be a "never trumper"." Heck, Nixon and his defenders could have taken the same position (in fact, it appears they did... but the people, the House, and the Senate all did what they were supposed to). We have a Constitution. It includes impeachment as curb to presidents that are "a circus sideshow." The best thing that can stop this circus side show is for people... all people, speak out and stop it. The House fulfills their constitutional role and investigate and if sufficient grounds merit it, file articles of impeachment. That the Senate fulfills their constitutional role and honestly consider and act on the articles of impeachment. And if the Senate fails in their role, that the American people act morally and ethically and vote trump and his republican senate enablers out. If you witness a crime on the street... you have the option to look away. Or, you can call the police, agree to testify. Its time that the Congress and the American people decide whether to look away...
They can say they did their due diligence with this investigation and paint it as ugly as possible for the GOP …. Sending it to the Senate and not getting conviction and removal is the worst case scenario. I stand by that. I truly believe that is why Pelosi did all she could to put the impeachment fires out - it cant be "partisan". The perception is already there that impeachment has been their agenda since Day 1 after the mid terms. (Rashida Tlaib , AOC , Maxine Watters and many others) Just nominate a moderate candidate that has no concerns and run in the middle , no crazy **** , the independents will flock to that candidate and you'll get results down the ticket. Keep this mess up and nominate one of those way out there's …. you are going to drive those independents away - They may not vote for Dumpster but they may stay home given what they see as two poor choices and we saw the result of that last time ….
Again, this is what trump wants. He wants to take whatever "bad" and lie about it as good for him. So if they don't file articles of impeachment, he and his supporters will say "See, they investigated and didn't come up with anything". They did that with Mueller's report (which did report presidential abuses), they will do that with this. There is no "paint this as as ugly as possible" unless articles of impeachment (if warranted) are presented. And the fact you conflate Taib, AOC etc with any of this simply shows you are playing into trump's campaign. None of those are running for president. None are influencing who will win. What is influencing it is the effort to find the candidate that can beat trump. Nothing more. Moderate, Liberal, Conservative does not matter. Note that none of the three are actively associate with the impeachment inquiry. Again, its time for America to move away from truimpism and simply do the right thing.
I did not say don't point out the bad things Dumpster has done. Read the post above this one …. As for the Senate doing their job - You can forget it. As for the people holding them accountable - You give the average idiot too much credit. Just look at the current polls on support for this impeachment inquiry - they have shifted a full 10% or more among independents - and that's the people that decide elections. https://www.rollcall.com/news/new-p...ngs-having-minimal-impact-on-public-sentiment https://thehill.com/homenews/house/...o-impeachment-inquiry-jumps-10-points-in-last
Again, your trump support is showing... cherry picking friendly polls. 43% of Independents support impeachment. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/ https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...for-impeachment-inquiry-reaches-new-high-poll But again, polling is just that... polling. Again, I think we simply need to do the right thing.
Why do all of the witnesses testifying against Trump look and sound like they came out of a movie, such as this handsome devil, David Holmes, and the witnesses for Trump look like they are stand-ins from Season 4 of "The Office"
It isn't likely that anyone that felt like Democrats have wanted impeachment since day 1 were very unlikely to vote for any Democratic candidate anyway. The voter that believes that is a voter that already bought into the GOP spin. A lot of voters buy into the spin from one party or the other. That voter bought the Republicans message and just isn't likely to vote any Democratic candidate. As far as calling for a witch hunt the calls would have remained and been bolstered by refusing to move forward with impeachment. Trump: "They accused me of all these horrible crimes to try and overturn the election in a witch-hunt, but knew there was no evidence to bring to a trial." So they kept making the accusations but couldn't do anything about it, because, I'm innocent." The voter that believed that Democrats have simply been looking for any flimsy excuse to remove Trump already felt that way about Democrats so that message would register with them. "Democrats have been calling for impeachment and made all of these claims, but then weren't able to do anything about it. I won't vote for a stupid Democrat. They'll spend all of their time on witch hunts."
You know this ok boomer stuff is about as bad as owning the libs. Why would you just dismiss a huge part of the population like that?
The "ok boomer" dismissal is a response to the constant smearing of millennials. Boomers on Facebook and twitter spend large parts of their time on those platforms posting crap about millenials. Whether it's jokes about them whining and crying, not working hard or getting participation trophies, it never ends. So "ok boomer" emerged as a way to dismiss them without arguing with them.
There is truth to the point that liberals, particularly on this board, live in a bubble and don't see how much of America views these proceedings. It isn't your fault. I'm not a liberal, but I'm there with you. I bang my head, metaphorically, constantly wondering why people just ignore the facts presented to them. The reality is we live in a post facts world. We can't change that. No matter what gets said in these hearings, Trump is not going to be removed from office, he isn't going to resign and Republicans are not going to turn on him because of what it would mean politically. That's just the facts.
Impeachment is serious - the most serious of Congressional power to check the President's power. If Congress does not go through the process of impeachment, but chooses a lesser route, that sends a message to the public that it's not serious and we might not have 70% of Americans, as we do today said it's wrong for the POTUS to ask a foreign power to investigate your political rival. In addition, with it not being as serious, you may never get all these witnesses to testify and to modify their testimony toward the truth and paint a fuller picture of what has been going on. As it's also not as serious, the POTUS has a better chance of continuing his behaviors - to get foreign power to interfere in our election for his political benefits. If we did not know about the WB, if the impeachment didn't start, the president of Ukraine probably would have announced the investigation into the Bidens - that would have been extremely damaging to Biden's presidential run. And Trump would continue to do this, using the power of the presidency to pressure foreign leader to announce, investigate bogus claims for his political benefits - it could have been extremely devastating to the DEM.
Not everything needs to be about a political win. This is also about duty. Not impeaching him is an obvious dereliction of duty. The American people need to know how Russia attacked us and we need to know what happened in Ukraine.
Why do you think not getting a conviction means 4 more years of Trump? No voting metric supports that. I am not saying he cannot win but what does voting on party lines have to do with his reelection?
