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Impeachment live hearing thread Nov 13-21 2019

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Nov 13, 2019.

  1. Corrosion

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    You'd be surprised at how this "process" is doing exactly the opposite.

    If the Dems don't secure a guilty verdict and removal from the Senate this gives wings to the "witch hunt" narrative.

    People who aren't really paying attention (and that's a large percentage) are going to believe the witch hunt narrative because from day one of the Dems taking the House they started talking about impeachment , the perception is that this is all they have done. They've wasted time and money on a fight over party and ideological differences rather than done anything about the actual issues. They've spent 3 years trying to impeach Trump and no efforts on actual legislation.

    This is a fools parade. They aren't getting 67 and they give Trump's argument some basis in fact.

    Then don't forget that incumbents presidents are almost always re-elected unless there is an economic downturn and right now , with unemployment numbers at their lowest in history , tax rates lower and economic growth alive and well & the markets at record highs …. the Dems have an uphill battle.


    No need to give Dumpster any ammunition at all that the with hunt narrative was at all factual.


    Just beat him at the polls with a moderate candidate that isn't disliked by 6/10 potential voters - don't nominate some extremophile from the socialist wing either.

    Buttigieg or Klobuchar are where they need to be focusing …. not the AOC wing of outrageous ideas and outrageous spending (and keep the Grim Reaper - Kamala as far away as possible).
     
  2. FranchiseBlade

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    It gives wings to witch hunt cries only to people who already were prone to believe that. Nobody who is examining the evidence would buy that.

    I will vote for any candidate that is currently running in the primary. Each of them including Mayor Pete or Klobuchar have their weaknesses. Each of them, including Buttigieg and Klobuchar have their strengths.

    Their strengths and weaknesses won't really be tested until the nominee has been picked. Most people aren't paying close attention and are distracted by the sheer number of candidates. They pay a little attention to the front runner, but that is something that can change week by week.

    I believe that Democrats need someone who can appeal to the disenfranchised in the battleground states and possibly energize the base as well. There are plenty who will vote for anyone but Trump but it isn't enough.

    I think the worst thing the Democrats can do is to try and select the person for whom they think other people will vote. That is a good way to end up losing.
     
  3. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    If Congress cannot hold the President accountable for illegal behavior then we have a dictatorship. Forget the current inquiry, the Mueller Report showed many counts of obstruction of justice by the President who if you have not noticed has surrounded himself with criminals and thugs. He operates the White House and our government like a mafioso. Secondly, Democrats in the House have passed a lot of legislation that is sitting on Moscow Mitch's desk. Any perception otherwise is factually incorrect.
     
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  4. Corrosion

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    Read what I said above - people who aren't really paying attention to the details - And there are a LOT of them.
    They are going to believe what they are told by Faux News or read on Facebook.

    You obviously have had your mind made up since 2016 , anyone but Trump …. I tell you point blank , as much as I dislike Trump , there are candidates I wont vote for in the Dem primary (Kamala / Warren / Bernie) for different reasons. I'll either stay home or write in Thomas Jefferson or something.

    Kamala keeping a man on death row and suppressing DNA evidence she knew would clear him was …. just the lowest form of selfishness. She'd have let that man die to further her political interests.

    Bernie / Warren - Sorry , not going full blown socialist.


    Who's more disenfranchised than the independents who cant stand either party ?

    You are right , there are many who will vote for "anyone but Trump" and that's not enough. The Dem base isn't enough. You need independents , libertarians and others stuck in the middle.

    The worst thing Dems can do is nominate someone independents / libertarians wont vote for or wont come out for.

    You'll always have your base and your never Trumpers no matter what …. You don't get independents with Anyone but Trump and you don't get them with the AOC / Bernie / Warren wing of the party either.
     
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  5. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    The conventional wisdom was that impeachment would be great for Trump and devastating for the Dem because he would be acquitted by the Senate. So far, that conventional wisdom has been very wrong. Support for impeachment grew among ALL groups, including Republicans after the inquiry started.

    Unless there is any more surprise, IMO, it's likely that where we are now is it. Most think Trump should be impeached and removed. Republican will stay home and loyal to Trump. Dem will vote against Trump and all the Republicans. Independent overall think Trump should be impeached and removed.

    But polling and politic aside, just do the right thing and perform your Congressional duty and let the chip fall where it may.
     
  6. Dubious

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    Trump and the GOP are responsible for systematically dismantling of 70 years of Liberal Democratic tradition, loading the courts with bias, gutting the State Department, undermining the FBI and CIA, openly battling the the Free Press, abandoning allies and propping up dictators, gerrymandering free elections and generally disrupting Truth with constant, daily lying.

    But sure, those Democratic Socialist that want to restore some economic balance are dangerous.
     
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    You won't always have the base. They may stay at home or write in Thomas Jefferson. The battleground states in the rust belt and Midwest will want someone who sticks up for the little guy. They will want somebody who they believe will tackle the big organized folks that have been screwing them over. Bernie fits the mold of someone who will shake things up. Warren has a long track record of going after and winning against big banks and business. She has protected consumers. That is something that will appeal to battleground states.

    The Socialism thing won't really get through Congress. So I understand the principle of not liking it, but it won't matter if they are elected.
     
  8. Amiga

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    Stefanik is the rising woman star for the new MAGA GOP. A smooth liar with a great MAGA image. She and Nicky Harley.

    And with her stunt yesterday... the NY21 district race is probably now in the national spotlight.

     
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    So Stefanik is building a rise in her career based on a fake stunt they pulled? Yikes.
     
  10. Corrosion

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    Obama gets it.

    'Be rooted in reality': Barack Obama urges moderation to 2020 Democratic presidential contenders

     
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  11. Dubious

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    Anybody over there got any patriotism?
     
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    Where are that brand of patriotic Republicans today? Do they exist? Are they afraid? Afraid of what? Selfish? How can anything matter more than upholding our constitution? Uncaring about the country, our laws, and the constitution? How can they not care?
     
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  13. CometsWin

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    Even Chris Wallace can't take this **** anymore.

     
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  14. bigtexxx

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    Quick summary from week 1 of the impeachment hearings:

    Multiple witnesses testified that they weren't aware of any impeachable offenses. No witness could offer up an impeachable offense.

    Huge win for Trump.
     
  15. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Anyone stupid enough to think this was a win from Trump doesn't deserve to be read - time for ignore for stupidity.

    DD
     
  16. bigtexxx

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    Great - go ahead and list all the impeachable offenses! The witnesses couldn't do it, but our expert in the suburbs of Austin has the smoking gun!
     
  17. Rileydog

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    How about we start with perjury as a baseline? Ol Bill Clinton got impeached for lying to Congress, right? Now we don’t have Trump on perjury, but I’m sure violation of campaign laws is more significant than lying about getting a blowjob

    Then again, didn’t the esteemed Lindsay Graham teach us that “you don’t even have to be convicted of a crime” to be impeached?

    Bigtexxx, you good if we all play by Republican rules on this one?
     
  18. bigtexxx

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    Hopefully you do realize that you don't make sense? "Let's start with perjury....now we don't have Trump on perjury..."

    It's clear that you're flustered today. Shaken up. Take a break, gather yourself, and come back stronger tomorrow.
     
  19. Rileydog

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    I'm glad I have your attention while my fantasy football team is doing badly.

    Let's try this in small pieces. You ok with playing by Republican impeachment rules?
     
  20. Rileydog

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    I don't want to put too much on your plate at once, but the second question is this: Are violation of federal election laws more serious than lying about getting a blowjob?

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