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  1. Senator

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    sarcasm?
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...g-to-a-new-study-of-global-firearm-ownership/
    It would make the situation worse when only half are accounted for, people get antsy, black market develops, internet dealing goes through the roof and a whole new war against illegal arms manufacturing begins.
     
  3. Amiga

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    1- Funding for studies on the trend, the causes, safety, etc. Repeal the Dickey Amendment, which the NRA pushed for, to block the CDC (and NIH) to fund firearm studies. Restore funding on firearm research, which Congress took away in the 1990s.


    https://mikethompson.house.gov/news...ckey-calls-to-end-federal-ban-on-gun-violence

    GUN VIOLENCE SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH NEEDED

    December 1, 2015

    Many years ago the highway industry took on studying from a scientific viewpoint how head on collisions could be reduced. They didn’t include in their scope of study the elimination of the automobile, which would have been a simple solution, but what came out of this were three or four foot barricades that are placed in between lanes of traffic in our interstate highway system. We have all seen these fences, but what isn’t generally known is how overwhelmingly successful this project has become.

    Back in 1998, I took part in cutting off gun violence research dollars at the federal level because of what was considered a misapplication of the dollars by the CDC. I have recently expressed my regrets that we didn’t continue that research with the provision that nothing shall be done in this project to infringe the rights of gun ownership as guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution in the Second Amendment.

    Research could have been continued on gun violence without infringing on the rights of gun owners, in the same fashion that the highway industry continued its research without eliminating the automobile.


    There is no ready answer to the question “How are we going to accomplish the desired result of reducing gun violence under these circumstances?” For sure the same dilemma faced the scientists in the highway industry some years ago. The highway industry answered the question of how to reduce traffic fatalities through scientific research. In the same way, scientific research should help answer how we can best reduce gun violence.

    Even though my opinion and the opinion of my colleague, Dr. Mark Rosenberg, have been spread to media outlets all over our country, there has been only one member of Congress who has expressed any support for this endeavor. I can tell that member that though there is no groundswell of agreement, at least I have not been tarred and feathered and run out of town…yet.

    To sum this up, it is my position that somehow or someway we should slowly but methodically fund such research until a solution is reached. Doing nothing is no longer an acceptable solution.

    Jay Dickey


    Member of Congress, 1993-2000

    2- Implement policies due to #1

    We can all agree to these 2, I hope.


    The 400M guns in this country, owned by 25% of the population of which 3% own 200M guns, does make buy-back difficult, but it doesn't mean much to me in that it's not why policies can't be enacted, nor should it be a reason to "give up". Automobile safety federal standards started in the late 60s, which at the time have about 100M automobiles in circulation. Federal and local laws to reduce alcohol-related fatalities and injuries on the road started in the 1980s, which at the time have about 150M passenger cars in circulation, owned by 90% of the population.
     
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    almost posted this last week

    https://reason.com/2019/11/13/u-s-s...nhappy-students-as-potential-violent-threats/

    U.S. Secret Service Wants Schools To Treat Unhappy Students as Potential Violent Threats
    Most teens who are depressed or bullied will never respond with mass violence. You wouldn't know it from these threat assessment recommendations.
    Noah Shepardson | 11.13.2019 1:45 PM

    "Secret Service research findings [indicate that] targeted school violence is preventable," writes U.S. Secret Service's National Threat Assessment Center (NTAC) Director James Murray in a new NTAC report. All schools have to do is treat any student in any sort of distress as a potential danger to everybody else and respond accordingly. That sounds nice, but the plan completely ignores the potential for traumatizing innocent students.

    Titled "Protecting America's Schools: A U.S. Secret Service Analysis of Targeted School Violence," NTAC's report advocates for schools throughout the country to adopt violence prevention strategies that are heavily focused on monitoring students for behavioral issues and encouraging others in the school system to anonymously report behavior they deem "concerning."

    The 35-page report analyzes 41 incidents of "targeted school violence" that occurred at K-12 schools throughout the country from 2008-2017. NTAC defines "targeted school violence" as: "any incident in which (i) a current or recently former K-12 school student (ii) purposefully used a weapon (iii) to cause physical injury to, or the death of, at least one other student and/or school employee (iv) in or on the immediate property of the school (v) while targeting in advance one or more specific and/or random student(s) and/or employee(s)."

    The NTAC report says that "the threshold for intervention should be low, so that schools can identify students in distress before their behavior escalates to the level of eliciting concerns about safety." The report also found that most attackers had experienced some form of bullying at school and had displayed "observable mental health symptoms," such as signs of depression or suicidal thoughts, before their rampages.

    One of NTAC's recommendations is for schools to adopt the threat prevention measures the Secret Service outlined in their 2018 guide, "Enhancing School Safety Using a Threat Assessment Model: An Operational Guide for Preventing School Violence." That 2018 plan called for examining students' social media posts, searching through their desks at school, and monitoring how students are handling breakups.

    The NTAC says its new study isn't intended to provide a perfect psychological or behavioral profile of students who might commit an act of violence. And while it does not outright state that students who are depressed or have been victims of bullying are more likely to commit acts of violence, it does list a "depressed mood" as a red flag. That's so vague that even a student having a bad day could be viewed as a potential threat, let alone a student who is clinically depressed or is a victim of harassment.

    While many of the students profiled by the study shared similar experiences and behaviors, the study fails to establish how, exactly, the students could have been appropriately identified as threats before they acted.

    In fact, a Department of Defense-commissioned study in 2012 found that in the case of targeted violence, while there are identifiable "pre-existing behaviors" that violent actors tend to portray, these "symptoms" are so general and widespread that false alarms are inevitable, making the reliability of violence prediction methods shaky at best. Despite this conclusion, that same study also suggests that "frequent profanity" is a potential indicator of violence. Using governmental parameters to identify potential attackers might only serve the purpose of stigmatizing students who will never pose a threat.

    The NTAC praises these problematic violence prevention programs in its report, such as Colorado's Safe2Tell. Safe2Tell is an anonymous reporting platform that encourages people to report students who might pose a risk to themselves or others in hopes of getting the student help before he or she acts out violently. Safe2Tell recently garnered its highest number of reports to the system during the 2018-2019 school year, logging 19,861 anonymous tips. Notably, most of these reports were about suicide risks, drugs, and bullying, not threats of violence against others, and another 197 were reports about misuses of Safe2Tell. Only 499 (2.5 percent) of the reports were actually about planned school attacks, and Safe2Tell has provided no further information about tips that were relevant to protecting students from other students.

    Unfortunately, violence prevention programs are abusable. With Safe2Tell, the police determined that 541 of the tips made to Safe2Tell during the 2018-2019 school year were deliberate hoaxes or false. One high school freshman in Jefferson County was falsely accused via Safe2Tell four separate times over the course of nine months. The 14-year-old was accused of acts ranging from telling others she was going to commit suicide to posting another student's nude photos online. FOX31 reported that the student found the ordeal traumatic, telling the news outlet that she, "couldn't stop crying because [she] was scared," when police showed up at her door to investigate the reports.

    Similarly, Nathan Myers, a student at Loveland High School in Loveland, Colo., was reported for taking a picture of a pistol and posting it on SnapChat with the caption, "Finna be lit," before a family outing to the shooting range. Myers was later cleared of all wrongdoing after the school district realized he posed no threat, but according to Myers' mother, when Myers met with district officials prior to his return to school, "They told him he was a good kid, they liked him, and they never believed he was making a threat against the school, but that 'you know we have to do this.'" Jay Stooksberry, covering the incident for Reason, said that, "The mockery [that Myers suffered as a result of the incident] was bad enough that Nathan begged his parents to be homeschooled." Is preventing hypothetical violence really a good excuse for traumatizing innocent children?

    As Reason's Jacob Sullum notes, "even if certain "red flags" are common among mass shooters, almost none of the people who display those signs are bent on murderous violence." The vast majority of those who are depressed or bullied will never commit an act of violence, and a comprehensive threat assessment strategy might lead to students who fall into those categories being viewed as potential attackers, even when they pose no threat. As Sullum says, "Given the potential for mass stigma, invasions of privacy, and violations of due process, I'd say we can do a lot worse than failing [to successfully identify potentially violent individuals.]"

     
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    The US secret service threat assessments is great for certain situations, but school and student... My guess is mass stigma will actually lead to an increased chance of mass shooting!
     
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    Many many countries had just done that (complete ban of all guns), we have not seen anything you have imagined. Your argument has no base.
     
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    Many, many stupid people have had your same argument - regarding countries like NZ and Australia with populations under 20 million and very homogenous. Please, please learn context instead of spreading misinformation.
     
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    Ehh, 30+ % of both country's residents today are foreign-born. (AU and NZ like America are countries of immigrants) So what exactly does very homogenous mean? NZ also has a large native and Asian population making about 30% of the countries population, Meaning NZ has a lower percentage of white people at 70% then America at 72-77% white.

    Unless you only county non-hispanic whites, which would leave America's homogenous race at 61% (still not too far from NZ's 70%)

    But...the non-Hispanic white category is a tricky thing, because there are many white Hispanics that are basically "very homogenous" enough for you, as Spain is a fair-skinned and civilized European country. The thing that makes people want to separate Hispanics from whites isn't really the Spaniard part, it's the non-homogenous brown native American part. Still, half of the Hispanics in America identify as white.

    Oh, and Australia has over 20 million people.
     
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    They also reduced the amount of training required...

     
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    Oh boy, what could possibly go wrong?

    I’m sure a student will never get their hands on the teacher’s gun as they will all be careful and responsible gun owners…
     
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    It would sure render all the safety practices and devices implemented to protect students and teachers from shooters coming in from outside the school... the danger would now be inside the classroom.
     
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    15 year old with a semi automatic…smh

    How’d he get it? Dumb parents left it unsecured at home?

    IB4 useless thoughts and prayers
     
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    ... meanwhile, what could possibly go wrong?

    Wisconsin GOP lawmakers approve bill allowing 18-year-olds to carry guns at schools, churches
    https://abc7chicago.com/wisconsin-gun-laws-concealed-carry-license-republican-party/11494693/
     
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    ha, what a joke

    can’t even trust an 18 year old to do their homework, but we can trust them with weapons in class…

    I’m sure everyone will feel safe at church with 18 year olds keeping the semi-automatic on the hip while they say grace and pass the collection plate…

    this is lunacy
     
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    There was a school shooting in a suburb of Minneapolis this afternoon. One student is dead and one seriously injured.
    https://www.mprnews.org/story/2022/...-to-reports-of-shooting-near-richfield-school
    1 student dead, another gravely wounded outside Richfield school
    Tim Nelson and Matt Sepic
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    February 1, 2022 1:17 PM

    Richfield police say one student has died and another was critically injured after a shooting outside the city’s South Education Center Tuesday afternoon.

    Jay Henthorne, Richfield’s police chief, said officers were called at 12:07 p.m. to the school and found two students shot on the sidewalk outside. The suspects had fled the scene.

    Schools around the South Education Center were put on lockdown as a precaution, he added. Those lockdowns were lifted.

    The incident remains under investigation and the suspects at large, he said, calling it a “tragic day in the city of Richfield.”

    The South Education Center, near the Best Buy headquarters, is part of a regional school district in the Twin Cities specializing in children with special needs or challenges. The shooting call drew a heavy presence of police and other emergency responders. The FBI also came to the scene.

    Officials have set up a place in Donaldson Park for adults to meet with students. City buses are parked there as well.

    Earlier, Richfield Middle School’s principal wrote to parents saying that around noon, police accidentally showed up outside their school in response to an emergency call from the South Education Center.

    “The officers had weapons drawn and were in bullet-proof vests. It is unlikely that many students witnessed the event, as they were in class at the time,” Erica Barlow wrote to parents.

    Officials gave details about the shooting on Tuesday afternoon:
     
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