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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Amiga, Nov 16, 2019.

  1. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    Add war crimes to our value.

     
  2. Andre0087

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    I thought this would be about Roger Stone.
     
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  3. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    Those are also values of this POTUS... so we'll have wait and see.
     
  4. jo mama

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    so POWs are not heroic b/c they were captured, but over the objections of the pentagon our dear leader pardons murderers and war criminals.
     
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    A refresher on Gallagher...
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    Chief Gallagher was accused of multiple offenses during his final deployment to Iraq and during the Battle for Mosul. The most prominent accusation and the best-attested to was the murder of a prisoner of war, a war crime.[5] A captured young fighter of the Islamic State (also known as ISIL, ISIS, and Daesh) was being treated by a medic. According to two SEAL witnesses, Gallagher said over the radio "he's mine" and walked up to the medic and prisoner, and without saying a word killed the prisoner by stabbing him repeatedly with his hunting knife. Gallagher and his commanding officer, Lieutenant Jake Portier, then posed for photos of them standing over the body with some other nearby SEALs. Gallagher then text messaged a fellow SEAL a picture of the dead captive with the explanation "Good story behind this, got him with my hunting knife.”[5]

    Another accusation was that Gallagher's sniper work during his 2017 deployment became indiscriminate, reckless, and bloodthirsty. He allegedly fired his rifle far more frequently than other snipers;[2] according to testimony, the other snipers in the platoon did not consider him a good sniper, and he took "random shots" into buildings.[1] Other snipers said they witnessed Gallagher taking at least two militarily pointless shots, shooting and killing an unarmed old man in a white robe as well as a young girl walking with other girls. Gallagher allegedly boasted about the large number of people he had killed, claiming he averaged three kills a day over 80 days, including four women.[1] Gallagher also was reportedly known for indiscriminately spraying neighborhoods with rockets and machine gun fire with no known enemy force in the region.[5]

    A charge of obstruction of justice was brought against Gallagher for alleged witness intimidation. According to the claim, Gallagher allegedly threatened to kill fellow SEALs if they reported his actions.[2] The Navy cited his text messages as attempting to undermine the investigation, with messages sent to "pass the word on those traitors", meaning cooperating witnesses, and to get them blacklisted within the special warfare community.[5][1] This resulted in him being confined in the brig for a time with heavy restrictions on his ability to communicate, although this confinement was later lessened.[2]

    President Trump intervened and ordered Gallagher transferred to "less restrictive confinement" after complaints from his supporters about his detainment.[11] This was the first time a President directly intervened in an imprisonment conditions matter since President Richard Nixon intervened in favor of Lieutenant William Calley, one of the perpetrators of the My Lai Massacre.[12]

    Gallagher also attracted controversies and investigations, although few formal reprimands. He was the subject in an investigation of the shooting of a young girl in Afghanistan in 2010, but was cleared of wrongdoing in it.[6] He also allegedly tried to run over a Navy police officer with his car in 2014 after being detained at a traffic stop.[5] By 2015, Gallagher had acquired a reputation as someone who was more interested in fighting terrorists and less interested in compliance with rules.[5] In his eighth deployment in 2017, Gallagher's aggressive side was seemingly amplified, especially during the Battle for Mosul, wherein the US force mission was intended to be more advisory than direct combat. Gallagher was the subject of a number of reports from his fellow SEAL team members of actions not in keeping with the rules of war, but initially these reports were dismissed by the SEAL command structure.[6] Only after the reports were escalated outside the SEALs were they acted upon and directed to the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS).[5]

    On June 20, 2019, during Gallagher's trial, one of the platoon medics from Gallagher's team testifying as a prosecution witness said that although Gallagher did stab the ISIS fighter, he did not actually kill him. The medic, Special Operator First Class Corey Scott who testified under an immunity agreement, testified that he himself had killed the wounded prisoner by covering his breathing tube and asphyxiating him.[21]
     
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  7. Corrosion

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    Odds he pardons Roger Stone ?
     
  8. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Wow what is Trump trying to prove pardoning this guy? Thats sadistic
     
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  9. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    Maybe this is Trump's new bodyguard. Sounds like his kind of dude.
     
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  10. RayRay10

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    Guy sounds like a serial killer
     
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    Hoping to get the incompetent MSM talking about something other that impeachment?
     
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    There is an element of his base that eats this stuff up. The same people that used to pass around emails about force-feeding pork to detainees at Gitmo.

    The first time he pardoned military criminals there was some very timid push-back from retired military. The statement from "the military" (I think it was a DoD statement) that I heard was about as unenthusiastic as it could possibly be without being insubordinate. Basically, it was "the president has this power granted to him by the Constitution. We believe in the Constitution. We will therefore follow our orders."
     
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  13. KingCheetah

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    I think you would agree the military particularly special forces are a very tight community that takes snitching very seriously. To have that amount of fellow SEALs come forward and report him up the chain as well as testify in court indicates he was taking part in truly disturbing and shocking acts of violence.
     
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    Exactly. I keep thinking how this is a slap in the face to those guys.
     
  15. Dubious

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    Tyrants and dictators exercise power by ruthless acts of immorality.
    Jailing babies is designed to frighten away immigrants. Pardoning war criminals is supposed to frighten enemy combatants.
     
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  16. jo mama

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    that gallagher dude sounds like a psychotic serial killer. and he is going to be walking the streets of america as a free man? seriously f***ed up.
     
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    Totally true.

    Friend of mines dad is good friends with a certain former coach from a school north of Texas who had a hunting outing in Oklahoma that I was invited to and there were 4 Seal Team Six guys there and a certain douche bag country singer. The reason they are great at their job is their job is to kill and out there on the deer lease with alcohol and guns... yeah... you got to see it first hand that they are kind of crazy. Hero’s that the country needs to get the job done to go get guys like Bin Laden, but still kind of crazy and are legit killers.

    For those type of military guys at that level of Navy Seals or special forces to say “yeah that guy is too hardcore for us”....is pretty startling. He must have done something to make them think he was doing things in combat that would get them killed or was a danger to the mission on a regular basis.
     
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    The base loves it becausw thats what they want. They want a God-Generalissmo approving war crimes against snyone they donr like.

    Exexcutive.power was a big concern under Obama. But now its a low taxing fasvist so its what the founders wanted
     
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