Defending freedom of speech is important, but you should know what happened then give a speech.

Fact: Many people in China supports the HK movement but they can't voice their opinion because they have no freedom to do so. If you are only allowed one voice on the internet, you will only hear one voice.

 

This should wrap it up /thread

Although, how can I make some of the money that these 1% are banking on? Hahah, jk

 

Contemporary history. Pretty much all politics textbooks (Marx and Mao do make good readings though) you need to study these for grade but if you care about such topics you would read extensively and from all sides

 

He’s already been called out as illegitimate, and is going to have to face the consequences for fabricating information.

The day a government official faces consequences for fabricating information in China will be a day worthy of celebration.

 

You should reread those texts, because you clearly have forgotten what they are about. Mao’s policy following Marx from socialism into true communism was abandoned in 1982. You disrespect Mao AND Marx by not supporting radical transparency.

 

So true. That's on full display in this country, where many people voluntarily decide to limit themselves to a single news source, then believe they've been told the full, unquestionable truth about how things are. They're literally told, "Don't listen to other news sources, they're fake news and they're just lying to you."

 

I think we're basically stuck, I mean having to explain the difference between Sterling and Morey... Just crazy, and as brought up earlier, Sterling can/could say whatever he wanted but the nba definitely isn't going to condone his hate speech or some of the other crazy **** he did regarding the housing that thankfully/finally surfaced (he is just garbage). Obviously the US government didn't care (free speech), but you know the nba teams had np getting him out - and that's a great thing (I mean I'm glad the other nba owners handled it correctly).

Sorry for the sidetrack, Def agree with you.

 

So, Foxnews

 

It was too late because it got dragged into deeper issues like real election that was promised in the Basic Law and the police brutality that's been going on since June. Police colludes with Triads. They curse citizens. Shot teargas into residential neighborhood. Shot teargas into confined area (MTR station). Firing teargas from top of building. Headshot people with rubber bullets and beanbag rounds. Beating protesters with batons after they've been arrested. Several reports of police torturing in detention center and sexual harassment. Basically HK is a police state now that the police can do anything without being hold accountable. You can argue that the protesters are violent but they get arrested and charged as riot. Who will hold the police accountable for their action? Nobody. Because they are the only thing Carry Lam has left, according to her own leaked conversation.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...ngs-and-torture-in-police-detention-revealed/

 

I never said that. At least not explicitly. I'm a shade more subtle.

 

The USA helped bail China out in WW2 against the Japanese - where is the gratitude for that?

DD

 

For Sterling, it was a body of work that surfaced that painted a cheap owner and a racist. For Morey, it was one tweet. It didn't condone rioting, it didn't condone violence, it didn't attack the Chinese people, it literally said "I stand with Hong Kong". This other garbage that people want to throw in is cute, but it detracts from the point at hand.

Look, I'm not saying be mad at Morey or not, I'm even saying like what he talks about, I'm saying backing the end that sends death threats and cancels billion dollar deals over one tweet is wrong. You wanna back them, be my guest. There are a ton of wrong people, even here in America. Signed everyone who thinks science shouldn't be a partisan cause, vaccines are necessary, and climate change is real.

Edit: here's a list of grievances I have against management and players on this team, and haven't once threatened their lives over:
DM is a vocal and financial supporter or Romney
Tils thinks Trump is doing a good job
Both back a party that believes BLM is a terrorist movement, and actively use xenophobia to get elected
Both back a party that holds back science, a field I am passionate about
James Harden rarely speaks truth to power, he rarely uses his position to improve politics in this nation
Our fan base is loaded with Trumpetors

All of these things are far worse than that one tweet. I have yet to call for anyone to be traded or dismissed. Hell, my biggest critique of Tils is he can be cheap.

 

So true, that's one thing I definitely agree with, in the US, we definitely need to use multiple sources and stop the confirmation bias, but what sucks in China is they're basically fed one source.

I don't know which way is worse the choosing to be a follower (not reading sources and being ignorant) or being stuck (only allowed one source)? I'm definitely not serious on this last point I just wish people would educate themselves more when given the chance, I know when I'm doing research or was in lab, I sure as hell didn't cite just one source in a paper (and that has always carried over for me when understanding/learning about subjects)... Not having confirmation bias or at a minimum questioning things is what will hopefully one day make everyone smarter. I feel sometimes with the amount of information at our grasp that people take it for granted in the US and stick with their biased pov because it's the easier approach, but unfortunately it's the lazy one (especially since we're given the chance to use multiple sources).

 

I saw that video I don't see what's the big deal. The old lady doesn't agree with the young people and don't understand the reasons. That's fine she has her own opinion which is the beauty of freedom. She can remove road blocks as she wish. The young guys and so-called rioters left her alone.

 

Communists always can tell the lies better than free people, it's inherent in Communism don'tchaknow.

 

Yeah I'm glad everything surfaced on Sterling. And definitely agree with you on Morey's tweet, it's absolutely absurd some of the replies he was getting, straight hateful ones. And he didn't state anything crazy which honestly makes this worse.

I was just saying we're not going to get very far if we're having to explain the difference between Sterling and Morey. Like Sterling is just hateful trash

 

Hong Kongers are Chinese right? Let’s ask someone living in Hong Kong if they believe this is Rhetoric. That’s okay with you right?