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The Biden/Ukraine Connection

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by dachuda86, Sep 30, 2019.

  1. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Contributing Member
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    Both @dachuda86 and @TheresTheDagger have once again been sucked in by the propaganda machine
     
  2. Rocketman1981

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    There are two basic facts:

    Trump has LOST money due to being president.

    Obama, Clinton's and Biden's family have MADE A TON OF MONEY from being in government.

    Think about that for a moment....
     
  3. Rocketman1981

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    The irony is that Trump is trying to get to the truth about the beginnings of the Russia hoax.

    He is EXPOSING the dirty laundry of Washington for everyone to see. He is asking about Crowdstrike,
    exposing all the politicians for the dirt they're accusing him of.

    Wonderful to see.
     
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  4. fchowd0311

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    I'm actually starting to gain sympathy for you.
     
  5. Rocketman1981

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    The point is Clinton and Now Obama and Biden's family made money FROM THEIR POSITION of being in government.

    Do you really think countries and people donated $200+ million to the Clinton foundation for kids in Africa???
    No they're buying influence and political power.
    Ukrainians and Chinese sought to ally themselves and overpay an alcoholic drug addict to curry favor with the Vice President.
    Did he know? Yes he did! He gave him a ride!

    This is all 100% legal. But it's not moral behavior.

    It's peddling influence to fund their libraries and kids and foundations which are just piggy banks to take Private Jets to
    Davos and pay for their family to stay at resorts in Switzerland while discussing global climate change and poverty. hahah

    Trump at least made his money before and actually lost money from being president!
     
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  6. fchowd0311

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    Let's impeach Clinton.
     
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  7. Rocketman1981

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    That you back these scoundrels and hypocrites and don't see that while not illegal is suckling off the government and
    its power at the expense of the people.

    I feel sorry for you. The only people that desire and enjoy this are either fixated on some special interest or are
    bureaucrats hoping to get into the intelligencia by posting on message boards and get lofty teaching positions which
    are just subsidized by taxpayers and student loan debt so people can postulate about this nonsense.

    Suckling off the system i'm sure. Just like your heroes.
     
  8. Rocketman1981

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    I realize what Trump is. He's an aggressive, selfish greedy narcissist. At least i see that whereas
    you think Obama or any of these people are not hypocritical, sanctimonious narcissists that use government
    to further their own fame and fortune.

    Trump is self-serving to those that are business owners and creators....so we take his warts.
    But seeing these Washington elites exposed for their games is priceless and an extra joy.
     
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  9. Rocketman1981

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    So you're obviously a bureaucrat attempting at rising in the elite intellectual world of planning for
    those that are too stupid to make decisions for themselves.

    Are you a city employee? A university professor? Studying to be a professor? A law student?
    Only people in these bubbles of thinking display this thinking. Supported by taxpayer funds or
    by poor students going into debt to fuel the left wing ideas of people so they can 'think' and only
    teach two classes a week while education costs skyrocket and then blame the problems on business
    and capitalism like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders wife.

    Get out of the bubble and understand what it takes to truly create, employ, compete and start a little
    business and see the regulatory nightmare that kills the ability for those without to rise and build.
     
  10. Rashmon

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    New meth in town?
     
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    I've posted articles from The Hill complete with quotes from actual affidavits and Ukranian Govt Documents that show there is at the very least some dispute over Biden's claims.

    You have offered....no substance whatsoever.

    I'll ask you the question that Fchowd0311 has yet to answer:

    Any comment on the alleged multiple apologies to the Ukrainian prosecutors for "false information" and "false narratives" concerning Sorkin?

    Why did they apologize? What false information? What false narrative?
     
  12. Ottomaton

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    Once we impeach Trump, you can draw and quarter the Obamas, the Clintons and the Bidens if it makes you happy.

    But let's try and do one thing at a time.
     
  13. ThatBoyNick

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    Your forgetting one more family lmao.

    [​IMG]
     
  14. fchowd0311

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    This isn't the Hill's opinion. There is a reason this article was written under the opinion section of the hill. Do you know who John Solomon is?

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/leake...rter-who-kicked-off-trumps-ukraine-conspiracy
    The source is Solomon interviewing Lutsenko. Lutsenko has retracted those statements since then. You can easily tell Solomon's motives here by who he went to after he got this new "info". Not the FBI, not the DOJ. But Hannity and the President. Just more evidence that this "investigation" was for pure personal political reasons.


    Again, Trump's OWN STAFF told him that this conspiracy was debunked.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/29/us/politics/tom-bossert-trump-ukraine.html
     
  15. Rocketman1981

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    You can try as you may but Trump won is placing the right supreme court justices in place and with this Ukraine blow to
    Biden he may be up against Elizabeth Warren.

    Trump vs. Warren will be another four years of Trump. Enjoy!
     
  16. fchowd0311

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    Apparently owning a small business doesn't inherently teach critical thinking.
     
  17. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    There is nothing that disputes it. Nothing.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...ing-former-ukrainian-prosecutor-says-n1059136
     
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    Do you know who John Solomon is?

    John Solomon is an award-winning investigative journalist whose work over the years has exposed U.S. and FBI intelligence failures before the Sept. 11 attacks, federal scientists’ misuse of foster children and veterans in drug experiments, and numerous cases of political corruption. He serves as an investigative columnist and executive vice president for video at The Hill.

    Looks like he's been in the game for awhile, won awards and as for his "motives", it appears he goes to places where his investigation will be given airtime. Also, you made the claim he didn't attempt to go to the FBI or DOJ. How can you be certain of that?

    The attempt at character assassination is duly noted.

    All this and yet I notice with amusement you have (for the second time now) refused to answer my simple question.

    Why were ANY americans (notably former Clinton admin folks) apologizing about for "false narratives" about Ukrainian prosecutors?
     
  19. TheresTheDagger

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    You know that the current President of Ukraine seems to think differently. So much so that:

    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaig...-memos-cast-doubt-on-joe-bidens-ukraine-story
     
  20. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Yes because that's what Trump wanted and he complied to get his military money.

    But the facts just don't line up to support your opinion piece from the hill.

    Biden and other countries wanted Shokin out because he was refusing to prosecute and go after corruption. That's why he was forced to leave his post. Shokin had failed to investigate Burisma, it was his replacement that started the investigation into Burisma and that investigator stated there was no evidence. The corruption happened BEFORE 2014, prior to Biden joining the company.

    The facts simply do not support even a reason to investigate Biden. This is a stretch and the accusations come from rabid Republicans who are trying to link things that don't link up.
     

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